ride along questions

[james]

When you join another player in a fighter does it give the pilot more lag?  Also, went against a jug who stall fought me up high against my pony tuesday night. I wanted to switch sides and ask to join that guys fighter so I could record it and learn. I know the training arena is there but wanted to see tactics applied in the ma kind of setting. Needless to say I got shot down the first time. The second time we met up high we started getting into some merges and a countryman of mine came into the fight so I ended up watching and staying out for the most part, I was enjoying the 1 vs 1 while it lasted. They went low and I went rtb to get a jug, eny kicked in and it was bed time after all.  If I switch sides for a join how long is it until I'm able to return to my normal country? Its something I haven't done in the same night. I used to switch from tour to tour.
 I just want to get some stall fight on film to understand some of it more than throttle, flap, pull nose, roll, pray, shoot, rudder, curse, pray, repeat. I think id learn a bit more seeing it from the sights and gauges side a few times before being able to apply it better. Hope this makes some sort of sense.
<S> to raven the jug driver Tuesday, that was cool!

[mtnman]

Joining another player doesn't effect his lag, but you yourself may see some apparant differences.  We all have lag to some extent, and when we have dealings with another player the sum total of the two players lag is the lag you deal with.  So, as a joiner, you'll be dealing with lag between you and your "driver", as well as between you and anyone he comes in contact with.

The end result is that your driver won't be exactly where/when he appears to be, and neither will anyone he fights.  All three of you will be seeing slightly different things.  So, your "driver" will be able to kill people when it doesn't appear he has a shot, and he'll miss people you think he could hit...  The same could happen with guys shooting at your driver.  He may appear to be hit by people who have no possible shot.

It isn't really a huge problem.  You'll still get the basic idea, and I think it's a valuable learning tool.  You just need to realize that things won't be exactly as they appear on your screen.  You won't be able to accurately judge how much he's leading his targets, for example.

Gauges won't all work either.  I think the important ones will work, but no fuel gauge or ammo counter, and you also won't be able to see your drivers tracers.

Side switching- one hour.  If you switch teams, you must remain with that team for one hour, and then your free to switch again.

[_vic_]

You know that if you record the fight you can watch it back from "his perspective" in the AH Film viewer, right? The same lag issues that mtnman addressed will still be prevalent, but you can get the same learning experience by watching what he does in response to your maneuvers, or if he's really good - to predict your maneuvers.

I see that you've been around considerably longer than myself, so if I'm missing your point I do apologize.

<S>
Tim

[Ghosth]

As noted above film can be an awesome tool. One of the options is "use recorded views" This lets you see where he was looking and when.

But by all means swap countrys and join up with people. You can sometimes learn more about how they would handle a specific situation. Especially if you are talking about it as he's flying. BTW Range voice works while joined. You won't show up on the range box, but you'll both hear what the other is saying.

[ImADot]

As noted above film can be an awesome tool. One of the options is "use recorded views" This lets you see where he was looking and when.

Don't the recorded views only work for the person who's film it actually is?  I can't, for instance, record a fight and then play it back from the cockpit of my opponent and have it show me where he's looking - right?  I think I remember trying that and the views change according to my recorded views (since it's my film) even if I'm in someone else's cockpit.

[james]

Ghost how you doing over there? I might be coming back there soon! Waiting on the call to come.

I plan on watching from more than just in the cockpit after recording. The lag question comes from when I joined a squaddie in a tank. We both had such a lag that the game was unplayable and we ended sortie. I didn't know if it would be the same. I don't want to request to join someone and lag the other guy out, I also don't plan on annoying the other person with a bunch of talk either. My acm has a lot to be desired. My sa isn't bad since I use it at work and know a lot about holding a bubble so to speak. Gunnery is getting better. I'm a complete sucker for a fight though. That's when my sa goes down. I see someone drop flaps and I want to do the same and have a good fight win or lose. Anyone can bnz. I want to get better at offering a fight now. I have seen even before this that the stall fight is a lot more fun for me. Thanks for the answers guys. I can't go to the forums on a govt pc to search and my cell won't let me either. For the last few days I've been waiting for a call to go to ghosts neighborhood for flood help. This helps pass some time between workups.

[mtnman]

Don't the recorded views only work for the person who's film it actually is?  I can't, for instance, record a fight and then play it back from the cockpit of my opponent and have it show me where he's looking - right?  I think I remember trying that and the views change according to my recorded views (since it's my film) even if I'm in someone else's cockpit.

That's correct.  Use Recorded Views shows the recorded views of the person who created the film, not the recorded views of who he/she was fighting.  Having someone post or send you thier film, and then watching it from their perspective is where that's especially useful. 

[Tec]

Don't know what hours you play James but if you ever see me on shoot me a PM if you want to go for a ride along.  I fly wherever so I can come to your side if that works out better for you. 

[Ghosth]

James I'm in the TA most afternoons at somepoint around 3-4 central time.

If your coming back I'd be willing to bet it will be to help out in the western part of the county.
Smaller rivers out that way are busting loose, we're sitting pretty here in Fargo. Couple of days away from a fairly low crest.

[fuzeman]

<snop>  If I switch sides for a join how long is it until I'm able to return to my normal country? <snip>

I believe that time is 1 hour.

[A8TOOL]

When you join another player in a fighter does it give the pilot more lag? 

Hummmm   no mention of the extra weight added


Good answers all, I especially like the view options. You can use the arrows and up/dn page buttons to get that perfect view your looking for. Many times when looking at film I switch to the enemy plane, turn off the recoded views and position the camera just behind and slightly over the plane so I can specifically watch flap movements. I have been studying the flaps on F4u's and P-51's lately.

While in a spit they have a lever to the left thats used to set flaps and sometimes i'll just watch go up and dn as the fight progresses. Most of the other planes do not have that ..that i can see anyway.

My only real complaint is that it's a shame we can't see throttle and rudder movements. That would be very helpful IMO

Your able to also save views in there using the F10 key just like in game BTW.

[Lye-El]

That's correct.  Use Recorded Views shows the recorded views of the person who created the film, not the recorded views of who he/she was fighting.   

That's what I thought. It is unfortunate  that their views don't work. It would interesting to see what their SA is.

[james]

I might just take you up on that tec.

Ghost ill either see you in the ta this weekend or ill be on the way to your state to help out. Been at the station for a week now wringing my hands waiting.

Some of those view actions I haven't tried. Will be spending more time with a viewer now instead of viewing some other things.<S>

[ImADot]

That's what I thought. It is unfortunate  that their views don't work. It would interesting to see what their SA is.

Yeah, you think lag and warping is bad now...just think if everyone's front-end had to send all that data to everyone else on the off-chance that someone might be recording the fight and might want to see the enemy's in-cockpit actions.     Not to mention the size of the film!

[DamnedRen]

I think you can also go "outside" the plane and see if flaps are being used or gear. Sounds play a big role too in a ride along. You can hear the flaps extending and retracting. If and when you hear that just ask the question, "are you using flaps now?"

Hope this helps

Ren