The SpitXIV conundrum

[MachFly]

You should really look an overlay of the performance curves before you post with such certainty.

One of the reasons I like that spit 14 is it has a very wide performance envelope

Besides, if this really is your favorite damn plane in the MA, I'm proposing to make flying it cheaper for you.

If they unperk the spit 14 there will be about as many spit 14s in the air as we see 16s. I really do not want to see that happening. Spit 14 is to good of an airplane to allow every noob to fly it on daily bases.

[Motherland]

If they unperk the spit 14 there will be about as many spit 14s in the air as we see 16s. I really do not want to see that happening. Spit 14 is to good of an airplane to allow every noob to fly it on daily bases.

Why do you think it would be a noob plane? It turns poorly and is difficult to handle. The only significant advantage it has over the XVI is speed.

That is also true comparing the XVI to the Tempest...The A6M has claim to be being a front-runner amongst fighters if discount entirely the need to either chase or run.

There IS certainly a threshold where speed makes a significant difference. Just look at the Me 262. However the Spitfire MkXIV does not cross it. It would have to be... at least 50+ mph.

[MachFly]

is difficult to handle.

hmm....maybe your right, not every pilot that fly and succeed in a Spitfire mk XIV

[Noir]

I repeat: I dive tested the Spit14's wing and it was still there at 574mph IAS, and didn't break under an 8 G spike.

Level at 500mph, and try a flat turn in any direction.

My Wish is that the spit14 gets the big drop tank so it can use its high alt superiority at least.

[MachFly]

My Wish is that the spit14 gets the big drop tank so it can use its high alt superiority at least.

 

[MstWntd]

[BnZs]

Why do you think it would be a noob plane? It turns poorly and is difficult to handle. The only significant advantage it has over the XVI is speed.There IS certainly a threshold where speed makes a significant difference. Just look at the Me 262. However the Spitfire MkXIV does not cross it. It would have to be... at least 50+ mph.

? It is 5-6mph slower than a P-51 on the deck and relative performance grows quickly as alts increase.

No, the SpitXIV will not have an unfair advantage over SpitXVIs or other select uber-rides, however, there are many planes besides these flown in the MA.

[BnZs]

One of the reasons I like that spit 14 is it has a very wide performance envelope
If they unperk the spit 14 there will be about as many spit 14s in the air as we see 16s. I really do not want to see that happening. Spit 14 is to good of an airplane to allow every noob to fly it on daily bases.

Really, the only performance that matter for MA purposes is that where the fight is. You can fly by yourself all day long at 25K, but I doubt you'll find it very satisfying.

[Motherland]

? It is 5-6mph slower than a P-51 on the deck and relative performance grows quickly as alts increase.

And are you advocating for the P51 to be perked?

No, the SpitXIV will not have an unfair advantage over SpitXVIs or other select uber-rides, however, there are many planes besides these flown in the MA.

So then why do you still want it to be perked?

[BnZs]

And are you advocating for the P51 to be perked?So then why do you still want it to be perked?

Because it runs with the fastest while out-turning, climbing, and accelerating them. It may not be much of a threat to a SpitXVI with average pilots at the controls, but it is a hell of a fast, double-superior threat to a P-51, 190, P-47, Typh, etc. Since you brought up the P-51, I will tell you that the only planes which are clearly both slower and less maneuverable than the Mustang in AHII are the 190A series, and the A-5 is actually fairly close in maneuverability and has a somewhat better thrust/weight at the low alts where we tend to fight. A D9 is even faster, rolls well, and has an enviable thrust/weight, but ye Gods, is there any plane in AHII that CAN'T beat a Dora by forcing an angles fight, barring the jet and other 190s?

[SmokinLoon]

The Spit 16 is far more capable and is a far more rounded aircraft that then Spit14.  In the meager few mph the Spit 14 has over the Spit 16, the Spit 16 can trump with roll, turn, accel, etc.  Oh, and it can carry 1000lbs of ord (3 bombs = 3 dead gv's), too.

Yeah, the Spit14 may come alive at 25,000 ft, but it can stay up there for oh... maybe... 5 min before it needs to start looking for home.  Hardly worth the effort, really. 

The Spit 14 is faster that the Spit 16, thats it.  And not by much.

This is EXACTLY my issues with how HTC scores aircraft.  If the Spit 14 warranted a 10 pt perk, then the C-Hog which gets used far more warrants a bit higher of a perk score.  Again... a little inconsistant in scoring perks and ENY.  *shrugs*... move on because it isnt going to get changed.   HTC has spoken evidently.

 

[MachFly]

Really, the only performance that matter for MA purposes is that where the fight is. You can fly by yourself all day long at 25K, but I doubt you'll find it very satisfying.

 
What does 25K has to do with anything? Spit 14 handles great at lower altitudes. And BTW, when I do fly at 25K, i find it very satisfying.

In the meager few mph the Spit 14 has over the Spit 16, the Spit 16 can trump with roll, turn, accel, etc. 

  Are you kidding me?? Since when can a spit 16 out accelerate a spit 14??

Yeah, the Spit14 may come alive at 25,000 ft, but it can stay up there for oh... maybe... 5 min before it needs to start looking for home.  Hardly worth the effort, really. 

When I fly it, it comes alive as soon as it lift off the ground. And I been up at 25K for about 20min of spit 14 with out conserving fuel to much.

[MachFly]

Ok if anybody thinks spit 14 should not be perked, meet me in the Dueling Arena.


Here are the rules:
we fight at 6.9 sector (A17 and A18).
each pilot fly's at there preferable altitude.
allowed to go anywhere as long as you are in 6.9 sector.
not allowed to use friendly ack for cover.

I will be on spit 14, you take any other non-perked fighter.

[Karnak]

My experience in the Mk XIV is that it does well as long as it is a one on one.  As soon as a higher enemy appears I am in trouble as it lacks any ability to escape that, it isn't agile and it can't run, if the enemy is above me that take away my climb....

[MachFly]

My experience in the Mk XIV is that it does well as long as it is a one on one.  As soon as a higher enemy appears I am in trouble as it lacks any ability to escape that, it isn't agile and it can't run, if the enemy is above me that take away my climb....

I think you just did not have much luck in your experience.

oh and BTW, spit 14 can run, it's one of the fastest.

Can you be more specific on what happened?