F-15 v. F-16 pilot view

[Cthulhu]

Just watched the second vid. Very cool , but it looked like the F-16 won (or was it a MiG-28? ). So why was the Eagle driver getting pumped? Maybe a little bit of "cinematic license" there.

One other thing.  We fly WWII aircraft, so the flares would be useless. Here's an idea, maybe HTC could give me a "Stuka" dispenser instead to decoy enemy's off my 6?

[RTHolmes]

Works now.. Where'd he take these?

over Rutland Water I think, Leicestershire (pronounced Lester-shur btw )

[lengro]

First video is very cool, thanks yenny!

[moot]

over Rutland Water I think, Leicestershire (pronounced Lester-shur btw )

They often practice in the open like that, or was it a one-off?  Or is his drive home thru military airspace?

[RTHolmes]

its not restricted airspace afaik, although there are alot of bases around there. formal fighter training happens in wales, I'm guessing they do the odd informal fight just to keep sharp, and cus its fun


edit:
did a little googling and found out that the RAF has a hard deck of 8000' for dog fighting in unrestricted airspace, raised from 5000' after a fatal crash in Cambridge in 1979. looking at the pics, and from lag's account of the fight (including a vertical rolling scissors at one point ) I'd say they were bending the rules a little on this occasion.

[moot]

That would look damn cool on video..

[BigR]

While flying do they eat cheesy fries, feed/take out their dogs on autopilot, go to forums and post, talk cheet to the enemy on a multi country channel, take a dump, pee off the balcony, google sheepish beauties, and squealch annoying squaddies?  Well then, I guess we cartoon pilots are just like real fighter pilots. 

Have you been spying on me?!

[Mace2004]

So, glad you guys recognized a real rolling scissors when you see one.  You may have heard the F16 call "snap" a couple of times.  The first time he's claiming a snapshot (which you can't see in the video) the F15 doesn't buy it and, judging from where the F16 reappears it probably didn't have a decent shot.  The second snapshot however looked OK, not great, just OK.  BTW, the part about "don't pull into me" is due to the F16's proximity.  For training there is a 500ft "bubble" around each plane which is right about where the F16 was.  From that point, there could be the possibility for the F16 to pull hard directly into the F15 for a shot but it was way too close, would have resulted in pretty much a 90deg TCA and a very close pass/collision.  Given the geometry the F16 proably didn't have any excess G to square the corner anyway.  Just as a last comment, that's about how long a modern dogfight lasts. 

[Mace2004]

The second video is scripted crap.  Looks like they tried to replicate the movie TOPGUN.  Rippling flares, flying close to welded wing, no hard pulls, pure crap, level turns, etc., etc.

The third isn't actually a 1v1, it's just a training tail chase.  The F5 is just providing a mildly entertaining target for the F14 as the student pilot gets the feel and sight picture.  Better than the second video but not ACM.

[RTHolmes]

yeah you can hear a little stress in his voice when he says "dont pull into me". shame the vid quality isnt better, its hard to work out their attitude in some parts. great to see some modern jets getting stuck in

moot, indeed vid would have been great. theres several places in the UK where you can see the RAF practising terrain masking and simulated bomb runs, theres something very cool about standing on a mountain and looking down on fast jets blasting past below you close enough to see the pilot . however, seeing a dog fight that clearly from the ground is a very very rare opportunity.

[AWwrgwy]

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[Ex-jazz]

Thank you for the excellent thread  UuHaaa!

[moot]

theres something very cool about standing on a mountain and looking down on fast jets blasting past below you close enough to see the pilot . however, seeing a dog fight that clearly from the ground is a very very rare opportunity.

That's exactly what I thought of, when I first played on that map in Il2, with the three high peaks.. You can see the whole valley from the edge of the airfields on the little plateaus on those peaks' sides.  In reality it would make for a breath-taking view on dogfights happening below.

[RTHolmes]

nice find ww, theres some fantastic shots in there     looks exactly like where I used to go as a kid - Dolgethly (spelling will be way off, apologies to any welshmen watching - your language is impossible )


warning: those linked images may contain sheep

[ScottyK]

U think thes pilots WHINE about HOs?    i dont think they do.