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Offline sethipus

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kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« on: April 23, 2009, 06:19:39 PM »
For much of the last year I've been using a technique to kill planes that strafe my tanks.  I am most often in the T34, and I have found this technique to be insanely good at killing a lot of fighter dweebs with nothing better to do than spray machine-gun and 20mm cannon rounds at my tanks.  For the first few months I hardly told anyone about this technique except squadmates, and even then I never saw anyone else do it.  In recent months I've been telling people about it, and still not seeing much uptake of the technique.

Recently I shared this technique with a bunch of tankers in the beta frame of the current Tunisia scenario, so I'm thinking some others are finally going to be doing it.  I also recently sent film of this technique to some specific players whom I'd killed with it, and at least one of them, Strong10, has been doing it the last several days, and sending me excited PMs in game about how cool he thinks it is, and how many kills he's racked up with it.

Well, I want everyone to know about this.  I may well reduce the number of kills I get with it once it becomes more generally understood, but that's OK with me.  It will change the ground game to some small degree I hope, making it harder to get away with strafing tanks.  I think this would be a good thing.

I am not talking about the technique of aiming just over the engine cowling of an incoming plane and firing an AP round into the engine or cockpit, killing the incoming plane.  I do this technique as well, when I can, and it's very effective, and very satisfying.

This other technique is one I use when I know I will not be able to get my turret around in time to get a shot off at the incoming plane.  It's also somewhat easier to get kills with, though shooting tank rounds into the engine block is pretty darn easy once you get the hang of it.

This technique is also often effective when the planes are coming in at too steep an angle to shoot at directly.

Ok, so now to the technique.

When you recognize that a plane is incoming to strafe you, turn your turret away from that plane.  I mean exactly opposite of the plane's incoming path.  As soon as the plane passes overhead, fire an HE round into the ground.  The timing is not hard to get right, especially if your tank's engine is off, because you will hear a very pronounced doppler effect as the strafing plane passes overhead.

If you did it right, an HE round will be going off on the ground pretty much right under a plane that's usually no more than 20 feet or so off the ground.  This will instantly kill most planes.  Sometimes, when the angle isn't exactly right, you'll merely break a wing off or something, and they'll plow into the ground and die.  On occasion I've merely lit a plane on fire, or smoked their engine, but these are fairly rare.  By far the most common result is instant death.

This game has been around a long time, and I cannot claim that nobody else has ever done this.  If so, then the technique has been invented independently multiple times.  I invented it myself about a year or so ago having never seen it done before, or heard of it being done.  Not having ever seen or heard of this being done before, I've thought of this as the Sethbag technique for killing strafing fighters, and I wanted to share it with everyone, so it becomes common practice for experienced tankers.

I've gotten very good at it.  In tank runs with lots of planes eager to strafe me I've racked up as many as multiple dozen kills this way, or through a combination of this technique and direct-fire shots into the engine block.

Here are some film clips demonstrating this technique.

This first film demonstrates me blowing up a Bf 110 that strafes my tank.  Notice that I see the plane coming from the commander's cupola position, so I know he's coming, and approximately from what angle.  I switch to my gun, load up HE rounds, and take the shot as he passes overhead.  It's not even perfectly underneath his plane, but he still blows up.

When viewing these clips, make sure to check the "Use recorded views" option, so you see what I was seeing as I did this.

t34 kills strafing 110

This second film demonstrates a kill against a Spitfire strafing me from the side.  Notice that I see the incoming plane, and watch him for a couple of seconds, so I know he's coming.  You can see me rotating the turret around to approximately opposite the flight path of the incoming plane, and take the shot.  Instant plane kill.

t34 kills Spitfire strafing from the side

A couple of comments.  In addition to the doppler effect that gives away the timing of the plane passing overhead, if you have good headphones you can tell as you rotate your turret about when you're pointed the right direction, because the incoming airplane engine noise will go from coming more out of one side of the headphones, to coming out more or less balanced in both sides.  That means the guy's straight behind you, and he's going to fly right over the spot your aiming at on the ground.

Remember to depress the muzzle all the way down, so you shoot into the ground very close to the tank.

This technique works in any type of tank, but it works the best in the T34, because the T34 turret rotates so quickly, much more quickly than any other tank's turret.  If you're moving, however, if you get a good feel for what direction the gun needs to be pointing to get this shot off, you can just turn the tank, and then jump into the gunsight for the shot.  This helps if you're in a tank with a very slow-traversing turret, such as the Tiger.

And now, here's one more film clip, but it's not using the techqnique outlined above.  It was just a very good tank to plane kill that I wanted to kind of show off.  Sue me.   :devil

nice tank to IL-2 lead shot from main gun

Btw, this technique, once mastered, leads to other really cool tank vs. plane killshots.  The other day I saw a 109 K4 diving in to strafe an M3 from my side that was about to release troops.  I aimed my T34 main gun at the ground near the M3 and selected HE.  When the K4 passed over the M3 I fired, and killed the K4.  Unfortunately for me, my round hit too close to the M3 and the killshooter effect killed my own tank too.  But I've done this with other friendly tanks where I killed a guy strafing them, without killing myself.

Anyhow, there it is, now discuss.   :rock


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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 07:27:37 PM »
hell, I'll try it out. sounds fun
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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009, 07:30:10 PM »
Seems kind of cheesey in a gamey way to me...  But whatever...

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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 07:31:01 PM »
Seems kind of cheesey in a gamey way to me...  But whatever...
That's what I thought.
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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 07:38:57 PM »
Seems kind of cheesey in a gamey way to me...  But whatever...
Yes, it is.  But then again, this is a game, so it's appropriate.

Guys, this isn't World War II.  This is a game, using cartoon vehicles modeled after vehicles that participated in World War II.

In World War II the different sides didn't take bases by going to a nearby town, destroying every single building, and then planting explosives inside of a maproom.

In World War II most dogfighting did not take place within 50 feet of the ground or water, at 150 knots.

In World War II most fighters would not strafe enemy tanks with machine-guns and pass 10 feet overhead.

Yes, this is a game, which we play (there's that operative word) according to the mechanics and practices made practicable by the game engine.

In a game environment such as the one we have, tank and plane combat often, or even usually occur in massively unrealistic ways compared to World War II.  Within that context, tanks in this game often come under strafing attack by fighters that have no realistic chance or damaging or destroying the tank (cannon planes can sometimes track a tank, and I've had a T34 paper mache turret knocked out by 30mm rounds from a 110 before).  Within this game context, I am presenting a game-specific, not realistic to WWII ground combat means of defending oneself in a tank against airplanes.

If you don't like it, that's fine.  Just keep strafing my tanks.   :rock  I'll be more than happy if you do.

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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 07:42:29 PM »
Over react much?

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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 07:44:37 PM »
Seems kind of cheesey in a gamey way to me...  But whatever...

Not much... remember, you can only kill planes this way that are passing you carelessly at very low altitudes. Most of them are fighters hosing you with bullets in hope of getting the kill credit when someone finally really kills you.
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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 07:46:36 PM »
Not much... remember, you can only kill planes this way that are passing you carelessly at very low altitudes. Most of them are fighters hosing you with bullets in hope of getting the kill credit when someone finally really kills you.
Exactly.  These guys pass like 10 feet over the top of your tank, and are doing nothing more than stealing the kill from the tank driver or bomb dropper (grr) who finally ends up destroying my tank.  They deserve to die, and it's their own greed that makes this technique possible.

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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 07:46:49 PM »
Most of them are fighters hosing you with bullets in hope of getting the kill credit when someone finally really kills you.

Well, for the record, I find this to be cheesey and gamey also.  Would be nice if HTC could change the way victories are assigned.  

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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 07:48:22 PM »
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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 07:53:34 PM »
Or you can just main gun the suckers.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/three110s.ahf
Exactly.  Note that the direct-fire main gun technique was mentioned in the OP.  As it happens, of the dozen or so airplane kills I got in the sortie these two films were taken from, about half of them I got firing rounds into the engine block, and the other half I got firing HE rounds into the ground.  With experience, you recognize which technique to use and execute it.

The technique under discussion here is used when the "shoot them in the face with your main gun" technique won't work for whatever reason.  The primary reasons for this are that you won't be able to get your turret around in time, or the strafer is coming in from a steep enough angle that you can't elevate the gun high enough, or perhaps because the guy knows not to fly straight into a 76mm gun, but hasn't figured out yet that it's also not a good idea to fly right over a 76mm gun pointing in the direction of his flight path.

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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 07:55:50 PM »
Well, for the record, I find this to be cheesey and gamey also.  Would be nice if HTC could change the way victories are assigned. 
+1 on that.  I have to wonder how much tank strafing would go on if tank strafers never got credit for the kill?  Probably still a fair bit, but I think a lot of guys are intentionally trying to take kill credit when they strafe.

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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 07:56:31 PM »
I feel  a  he ho'd with his tank whine coming soon. :rolleyes:
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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 08:05:16 PM »
Heh...looks fun I'll try it.

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Re: kill strafing planes from a tank - useful technique
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2009, 09:56:57 PM »
Hmmmm.
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