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« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2009, 05:54:59 PM »
That's one bill I don't wish to see sir, nor will I wager on that line.

The thing that is getting me.... There isn't a specific cause of death in any of the cases listed.  Usually Flu kills by a few different ways, but nothing is listed.  Pneumonia is common.  MODS as well.   Virologists I know are really getting a bit chafed over it.  The CDC won't come back with any straight answer.

In any case, whatever happens, it won't happen to the US or rest of the Northern Hemisphere till next season.  Temperatures and humidity are getting way too hot for a sustained flu outbreak.  The southern hemisphere flu season is just starting, so they'll get the brunt of whatever happens from here.  The bad part of that equation is that, should it go haywire in the southern hemisphere, it will be likely that H1N1 will have morphed into a resistant strain due to all the Tamiflu and Relenza that will have been thrown at it there.

If I understand you correctly, we have the drums beating until autumn. Flu-time.
As for the death causes, we just have to wait. What kills you is your own Achilles-heel normally. What is MODS btw?
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Now, to older plagues. I am old enough to have been truly vaccinated with cowpox. So, I carry Jenner's Scar. On my arm and not my arse BTW. (Moray, you also? They stopped about 1974) Anyway, the vaccine was fresh, so somewhat on the strong side. I got completely sick. Absolutely. High fever, hallucinations and the lot. And that was just the whiff of the real thing.
So, from experience, I do not joke with those things. Actually, I think that those that mock the alarm and bring up the word "alarmist" and yadda yadda basically lack the balls to face what can happen, and not just "can", - these are things that happened many times to mankind, before the jet age. And cowpox was dead with a good effort by 1973 or so. Some "Scientists" apparently got it right.
Hope they will succeed with the swine flu as well. Who wants to die from a SWINE-FLU anyway????!!?!! 
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« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2009, 06:01:20 PM »
I think we should all stock up on bacon before the prices go up...   :mad:
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« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2009, 08:44:45 PM »
That's one bill I don't wish to see sir, nor will I wager on that line.

The thing that is getting me.... There isn't a specific cause of death in any of the cases listed.  Usually Flu kills by a few different ways, but nothing is listed.  Pneumonia is common.  MODS as well.   Virologists I know are really getting a bit chafed over it.  The CDC won't come back with any straight answer.

In any case, whatever happens, it won't happen to the US or rest of the Northern Hemisphere till next season.  Temperatures and humidity are getting way too hot for a sustained flu outbreak.  The southern hemisphere flu season is just starting, so they'll get the brunt of whatever happens from here.  The bad part of that equation is that, should it go haywire in the southern hemisphere, it will be likely that H1N1 will have morphed into a resistant strain due to all the Tamiflu and Relenza that will have been thrown at it there.

Ok $40, but that's IT ;) (I have seen several news sources that state it is NOT an airborne virus---must be body fluid/sneezing droplets, etc)
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« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2009, 11:48:10 AM »

Swine influenza A/Mexico/2009 (H1N1) update

by vrr on 1 May 2009

reassortment-swineHere is an update on the global swine flu situation as of 29 April 2009.

There are now 257 laboratory confirmed cases, with 7 deaths, in 11 countries. In the US there are 109 cases  in 11 states. There are many more suspected cases; together the statistics indicate widespread dissemination of the new H1N1 influenza virus. I no longer doubt that this is the next pandemic strain. WHO will probably soon raise the level of influenza pandemic alert from phase 5 to phase 6. Important questions include whether spread will continue in the northern hemisphere through the summer, or stop very soon, as is the case with most influenza virus outbreaks. Unfortunately the southern hemisphere seems in for an extended flu season. Will antivirals be useful in reducing morbidity and mortality? Will the virus returns to the north in a more virulent form in the fall? Can a vaccine be prepared in time?

Viral RNA sequences from 12 new isolates were deposited at NCBI, bringing the total to 32. Conspicuously missing are sequences from Mexican isolates. In a Science Magazine interview, Ruben Donis, Chief of the molecular virology and vaccines branch at CDC, indicated that strains from Mexico and elsewhere are “very, very similar. Many genes are identical. In the eight or nine viruses we’ve sequenced, there is nothing different.” It’s still not clear why these sequences have not been released; clearly the work has been done. In any case, his statement confirms what we have suspected from examining other isolates, that the Mexican strains are not sufficiently different to explain their apparent higher pathogenicity.

I highly recommend reading the interview with Dr. Donis, as it contains a wealth of information about the new H1N1 virus. Much of it will be difficult to understand for those without familiarity with influenza virus, but you can send your questions to virology blog. One interesting aspect concerns the statement last week that the new virus was composed of genes from pig, human, and avian sources. Examination of the sequences in the past week has revealed the virus to be composed of RNAs solely from swine viruses. Here is what Dr. Donis said:

    Q: Is it of swine origin?

    R.D.: Definitely. It’s almost equidistant to swine viruses from the United States and Eurasia. And it’s a lonely branch there. It doesn’t have any close relatives.

    Q: So where are avian and human sequences?

    R.D.: We have to step back [to] 10 years ago. In 1998, actually, Chris Olsen is one of the first that saw it, and we saw the same in a virus from Nebraska and Richard Webby and Robert Webster in Memphis saw it, too. There were unprecedented outbreaks of influenza in the swine population. It was an H3.

    The PB1 gene, that was human. H3 and N2 also were human. The PA and PB2, the two polymerase genes, were of avian flu. The rest were typical North American swine viruses. Those strains were the so-called triple reassortants.

I’ll post an entry this weekend on the history of swine viruses, which should help clarify Dr. Donis’ explanation.
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« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2009, 11:52:13 AM »
So if there have now only been 7 deaths, what are the causes of death for those previously reported as swine flu?

And doesn't just regular ole run of the mill flu kill tens of thousands of folks every year? Seems like an awful lot of ruckus for something that has killed a small fraction of what the regular stuff kills.
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« Reply #80 on: May 01, 2009, 12:10:33 PM »
So if there have now only been 7 deaths, what are the causes of death for those previously reported as swine flu?

And doesn't just regular ole run of the mill flu kill tens of thousands of folks every year? Seems like an awful lot of ruckus for something that has killed a small fraction of what the regular stuff kills.


That's 7 Laboratory confirmed deaths.  We pesky scientists are real picky about things like that.  It isn't confirmed until every possibility is absolved.  Think about it... just the mere presence of virus and a death, does not make a causal relationship.  There are many other things that could have killed the patient.  It takes an incredibly long time to find out specific cause of death from this.

The total deaths reported right now (Local Health Depts)... 160 with around 3,000 cases probable.  (5.3% mortality from those numbers.)  The regular run of the mill flu has a mortality of around .02%.  For a measuring stick, the Spanish Flu of 1918 that killed roughly 40-100 million people had a mortality of 5.1%. 

It appears that the Mexican cases are leveling off... the "curve" for new infections is static.  I think our friends in the southern hemisphere will be the ones getting this first.  Our temps and humidity are killing this bug up here... but they are in mid "fall" in the southern hemisphere... their flu season is just starting.  That is both good and bad.  If this is something to worry about, we have time to figure out a vaccine, they don't. Meaning a lot of people will die, if this bug is for real.

But, in lieu of a vaccine, the health depts. in South America will throw every broad spectrum antibody they have at this one.  (Tamiflu, Relenza)  This will give the virus a very good immunity to antibodies when our flu season starts in October.... 
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« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2009, 06:54:05 PM »
That's bad.
Mind you though, that even today, the most effective antibiotic I use for my cattle is Penicclincalium. Indeed there is resistance for it in some heards, but after 50 years of use in quite some amounts, it is still at large.
Was never mixed with feed though. And that is not an anti-viral drug....
BTW, am I right that the mortality rates are lower outside Mexico? If so, why?
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« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2009, 10:46:25 AM »
Just this AM, they just released a photo of Patient 0...








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« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2009, 12:10:53 PM »
News flash! It's been another day, and 100 MORE AMericans have died of REGULAR Flu :(
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« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2009, 12:48:26 PM »
This little thing made a hell of a noise when it augered into my stormdoor this AM.

Is it signs that the Bird Flu is back?


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« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2009, 02:08:13 PM »
Seriously tho, just for a minute, but the flu is actually the virus that jumped from a pig to a human and mutated into the human flu, passed on from human to human. So what good would not eating pork do?

Cooking the swine correctly kills all the bugs anyways and the virus you have to worry about is the human one, not the swine one.

Good thing to cause Im a'gonna cook some swine tonight and pig out on it.
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« Reply #87 on: May 04, 2009, 10:02:02 AM »
Since looking at this new bug's vital stats....

I'm not nearly concerned as I initially was.

It is a close relative of the H1N1 1918 bug that decimated the population in 1918.  However, in its DNA structure it has a stop codon incorporated into the synthesis RNA of a critical virulence protein, PB1-F2 that has been closely studied and shown to be turned "on" in really virulent strains, (ie. H5N1)

This flu could reassort and become a bigger threat, it has already shown an incredibly high level of resistance by showing up OUTSIDE of normal flu season, but I don't think it's a killer at this point.  We'll see what it does during the southern hemisphere's new flu season, but it will probably just end up back here as just a yucky  Flu next November.
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« Reply #88 on: May 04, 2009, 01:31:16 PM »
SWINE FLU II Love will get us thru!

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« Reply #89 on: May 04, 2009, 02:32:23 PM »
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