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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2009, 06:01:12 PM »
Quote from: morfiend on May 02, 2009, 05:43:08 PM

 This debate will undoubtedly go on for years again I say apples and oranges,swords evolved to meet the needs of the regions they were used in.

This thread has been more a series of corrections of gross errors about the nature of European swords and their performance relative Japanese ones than a "debate"...the truth is, these swords were made to cut, thrust, and be handy, and any swordmaker from anywhere that was worth his salt made one that would do these jobs well. The truth is that a sword-fight would be decided by relative training, attitude, physical talent, and who had the bad luck to slip in the mud at an inopportune moment-too many variables to figure. With warriors armed with such similar technology, statements about who would win made with 100% certainty are absurd.
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2009, 07:03:24 PM »
Katana won't cut through metal, and a hosepipe can smash your skull. What perhaps needs to be looked into more is the nature of the warriors, and how they would fight.
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #77 on: May 02, 2009, 07:31:49 PM »
Quote from: Angus on May 02, 2009, 07:03:24 PM
Katana won't cut through metal, and a hosepipe can smash your skull. What perhaps needs to be looked into more is the nature of the warriors, and how they would fight.


That's why I've been emphasizing the versatility of the longsword, which used the hilts offensively nearly as much as it did the blade. It's a beautiful thing to watch someone who REALLY knows the longsword close in and start adding hilt-strikes and grappling to the cuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Pnw-9A8qQ (keep in mind that's not full speed, the pauses are for demonstration purposes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXbZqKnwDbQ&feature=related (THIS rocks)
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2009, 07:49:06 PM »
nice move, looks like quite a heavy set lad he is throwing too.
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #79 on: May 02, 2009, 08:23:52 PM »
Alles fechten kompt vom ringen.
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #80 on: May 02, 2009, 08:30:17 PM »
Quote from: mechanic on May 02, 2009, 07:49:06 PM
nice move, looks like quite a heavy set lad he is throwing too.

There's quite a few throws and disarms in the Liechtenaur tradition that make use of the sword itself.
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2009, 11:24:26 PM »
Quote from: Sikboy on May 02, 2009, 04:53:53 PM
What? You don't think I'd say that if you were standing here? You clearly don't know me, I've gotten my bellybutton kicked for less :)

But thank you for bringing something to the discussion, this is turning into a very informative thread.

-Sik

nope you wouldn't.   



extremely sharp


close up of the blade. don't mind the white specks its from the paper.


Quote from: morfiend on May 02, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
Ink,you need to check out the Japanese national museum,they have priceless Katana's on exhibit


 I've been a sword fancier for many years,Paul chen's pieces are nice low cost swords.Before you go off about the cost check out what "real" katana's cost,near impossible to find for under $5000.
My brother inlaw was living in japan for a few years and I'd asked him if he would find me a "real" katana,which he did for a measly $10,000USD.... :O Nedless to say I declined.Besides my wife wont let me play with sharp things anymore. :o

 This debate will undoubtedly go on for years again I say apples and oranges,swords evolved to meet the needs of the regions they were used in.Myself I see the beauty in all swords,the craftmanship on some examples are simply beyond comprehension.Both European and Oriental blacksmiths had their secrets and applied them as best as they could,given the technology available to them.

BTW that's a real beauty Sax and Ink the Hamon on the tiger is a wonderful example.

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the first pic I posted was not of mine, these are.  trust me this Katana is as "real" as it gets, I have held what you refer to as "real",(recently sold a WW2 "real" one) there was one I wanted to pick  that had been used by a Samurai, with the body count on the tang,( they would test out there swords on cadavers, or convicted prisoners and then engrave on tang how many bodies it went through)   :cry  $14,000

the newer Katana's (if made by a master) are better then the Originals, there is a guy in the states that makes his own Katana's, his cable ones are sick, before he sells them he holds up a length of 1/4 steel cable and cuts it in half. I looked for were he talks about cutting the cable but could not find it.

http://www.dragonflyforge.com/category/articles/


Battle axe is High carbon steel, guaranteed for life, to never break. plus I have a smaller one with the same size head for throwing.

found this, cant sleep, very cool had goosebumps watching it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwQqtf86qOc
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2009, 11:31:47 PM »
ok ink wins, seeing as he actualy looks like a war hungry viking and if the katana fails he can chop your shoulders off with the axe.
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2009, 12:00:25 AM »
 Ink I'd contacted Dragonfly several years ago looking for a somewhat less expensive blade.

His work is incredible and he was willing to make a proper lenght blade for me,but as I've said the wife wont let me play with sharp things so I settle for taking my Epee out and pretend I'm Errol Flynn... :rofl

 I know Chen's blades are real and for awhile he was making some interesting blades outta old train rails,his sweedish powdered steel blades are among my favs.

My old Master had a "real" presentation blade that he allowed me to hold,now that was a real Katana... over $30,000 ,If I could only remember the era I'd tell you.
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2009, 06:44:45 AM »
Why would anyone be afraid of a man who has to tattoo a beard on? 



J/K :D
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2009, 08:59:11 AM »
Quote from: ink on May 02, 2009, 11:24:26 PM
nope you wouldn't.   


No offense, but you're not going to cut me or otherwise assault me for saying that you're acting girly. But I guess that's what you meant by the security of the internet, you can imply that you would, and it makes you very tough indeed lol. Anyhow, you're not as intimidating as you think you are.

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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2009, 11:35:01 AM »
Quote from: Sikboy on May 03, 2009, 08:59:11 AM
No offense, but you're not going to cut me or otherwise assault me for saying that you're acting girly. But I guess that's what you meant by the security of the internet, you can imply that you would, and it makes you very tough indeed lol. Anyhow, you're not as intimidating as you think you are.

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did I ever say I would cut you  :rofl or assault you?  like I said intardnet is wonderful for people who want to live a life that is not there own, they can say whatever they want with no repercussions, they can pretend to be who ever they want and no ones the wiser,  if you were to stand before me, I guarantee you would not talk smack.   

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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2009, 04:49:31 PM »
Quote from: ink on May 03, 2009, 11:35:01 AM


did I ever say I would cut you  :rofl or assault you?  like I said intardnet is wonderful for people who want to live a life that is not there own, they can say whatever they want with no repercussions, they can pretend to be who ever they want and no ones the wiser,  if you were to stand before me, I guarantee you would not talk smack.   

last thing I got to say to you.





Yes, I clearly think that the implication was there. If you want to deny that was your intent, feel free. But the fact remains, in real life I wouldn't hesitate, face to face to say anything that I've said in this thread. I'm an open and honest guy here, and several people on this board have met me in person and (I imagine) would agree with my view.

Anyhow, good luck trying to intimidate future posters.

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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #88 on: May 03, 2009, 07:38:59 PM »
woah come on, aint we all going a little mental about this? Someone called out ink for not knowing his stuff...he was just showing that he actualy knows something or... at the very least is a considerable danger to pieces of paper everywhere. I doubt he truly wanted to intimidate anyone, but he sure scares the hell out of me.
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Re: The Deadliest Warrior
« Reply #89 on: May 04, 2009, 01:33:06 AM »
Quote from: mechanic on May 03, 2009, 07:38:59 PM
woah come on, aint we all going a little mental about this? Someone called out ink for not knowing his stuff...he was just showing that he actualy knows something or... at the very least is a considerable danger to pieces of paper everywhere. I doubt he truly wanted to intimidate anyone, but he sure scares the hell out of me.


I'm tellin ya that paper had nothing on me :rofl

here is a video of a Katana cutting metal, I know someone said "it couldn't" 
Mind ya I do not agree with what they are doing, but it does cut the barrel,  I am not saying that it proves the Samurai would win, but just showing a Katana will cut metal. they have destructive test videos on a crap load of swords. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHm_pJceN5Q
now someone also said that "viking swords where not sharp"    watch this vid, to be honest it seems sharper than my Katana,
this is truly a beautiful Viking sword.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzPxPAsuZN8
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