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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2009, 10:07:35 PM »
Don't mean to double post, but the 37mm on the AH Il2 fire together.  So that's already one thing that could help.
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2009, 10:19:55 PM »
Thrilla, do you have any of the old AH1 maps as well?
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2009, 05:51:26 AM »
rgr moot, i guess it would alleviate the il-2 being the insta-death machine for gv's it currently is.  I'm not sure why i care, i haven't driven a tank in AH for years. :D

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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2009, 08:30:56 PM »
I bet if we just find enough sources (especially if someone could track down a primary) HTC would model the guns unsynched.

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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2009, 10:36:39 PM »
What bothers me is if you happen to not knock the IL2 down in one pass they just point straight up and spray. 
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2009, 09:44:01 AM »
Don't mean to double post, but the 37mm on the AH Il2 fire together.  So that's already one thing that could help.

Thank you Moot.  I had no idea where to start on the ingame research.

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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2009, 11:38:39 AM »
Bump & pray since we are so close to an update...
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2009, 11:58:18 AM »
If the guns weren't synched in real life as the article suggests, then it should be modelled unsynched in AH.  I remember when the hurri-2d guns weren't synched in AH, the gunsight was thrown all over the place.
I don't think they were unsynched like the Hurri IID was in AH.  I think they just got out of synch as they fired.  The first round should be synched and then RoF differences cause the two guns to unsynch.

Thatn is how I read it anyways.
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2009, 12:03:39 PM »
I don't think they were unsynched like the Hurri IID was in AH.  I think they just got out of synch as they fired.  The first round should be synched and then RoF differences cause the two guns to unsynch.

Thatn is how I read it anyways.

Thank you for that clarification.  I concur Karnak.
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2009, 12:47:51 PM »
A quick and dirty way for HTC to fudge this would be for them to apply the 10% RoF reduction for a interrupter geared gun to one of the guns.  That way they would start synched and then get progressively unsynched.
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2009, 01:09:39 PM »
Where does it say that the guns gradually unsynched?
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2009, 01:44:38 PM »
Where does it say that the guns gradually unsynched?
I can't think of any other way they could be unsynched.  To do it otherwise you'd have to intentionally add a mechanism to start them unsynched.
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2009, 02:06:13 PM »
Here's a description of firing the 37mms from the Soviet Il-2 pilot I. I. Pstygo, commander of the 893rd Attack Regiment. This is taken from the book Ilyushin Il-2 and Il-10 Shturmovik by Yefim Gordon and Sergey Komissarov.

"In my capacity as commander I had to test the machine and get my own impressions of its qualities and armament. I made a flight to the test range and there it became immediately apparent there the precise aiming of the cannon presented a complicated problem. The cannon were mounted in the wings a considerable distance from the fuselage, from the aircaft's axis and consequently from the CG. When firing the recoil was so strong that the plane gave a start in the air. What was worse, after aiming and pressing the fire button I noticed that even the first explosions of shells were not quite simultaneous. The explosions occurred rather close to each other. The second salvo displayed even greater discrepancy in the timing of the explosions. The explosions were occuring at an even greater distance from one another. During the third salvo the aircraft rocked so violently the pilot was thrown about the cockpit from side to side and there was no way of checking this rocking of the aircraft. As a matter of fact only the first two shells hit the target."

Pstygo goes on to say that they learned to fire only very short carefully aimed bursts with the 37mms, but only had time for one or two per diving run.

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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2009, 02:19:33 PM »
I'd say that's precise enough a description for HTC to model :)
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Re: Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2009, 02:55:33 PM »
Just change ROT fire in one gun.....or generate randon delay between each firing.