I agree Belial, HTC would have to create a whole new feature to the game and apply it to all water in the game. Besides, how would you intend to see where you are going and where your targets are, Bf1942 style?, And they would have to add destroyers, depth charges, and sonar to the fleets, and give each ship much greater individual control; do you intend to help them?, if you really want a submarine, you would have to add everything else, and if you want all that, you may want to start out for them (basic shape, motion, size, maby some animation for a preview, and maby an internal view. And one more thing is that fleets would probably get jumped by 10 or 15 subs quite frequently. But I have to admit, if we got all that and tg's wouldn't get jumped then it would probably make a good hit and run vehicle, you could hit coastal instillation and near shore bases. <S>