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Offline gpwurzel

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Ho's and ropes
« on: April 30, 2009, 06:11:44 PM »
This is something that I (for some reason) got concerned about. When roping a plane and you loop back over the top, and he's still on the way up, but obviously not going to catch you - would that count as a ho?

Asking as I got into a fight with someone in a f4u, roped and declined the shot on the way down (subsequently lost, but thats not important) - got asked why I didnt take the shot that was there, which would have won the fight (well, had I hit with it anyway  :D). Curious as to opinion on whether this was a ho or not basically. The guy I was fighting was of the opinion that it was a valid shot just fyi.

Dont need a flame fest, just opinons

I've always been hesitant in taking this particular shot (not sure why, just have been) so thought I'd ask.

Thankeee in advance,

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Offline Motherland

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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 06:14:28 PM »
Not a HO IMO. The only reason for not taking a HO shot is because it's a dangerous shot (you can get hit). If the other person can't hit you, even thought you're pointed at his face, it's a fair shot in my book.
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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 06:15:10 PM »
no ...enjoy...u earnt it     :aok    :salute
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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 06:15:13 PM »
It's not a HO.  The guy is just living on borrowed time.
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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 06:18:10 PM »
No HO honestly if they can get shot on you while in a stall its alot of times just lucky, put yourself in the position of the plane below you which im sure everyone has been at i know if im close i just start spraying and preying to hit till my plane forces itsself over.
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Offline SkiMan

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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 07:19:20 PM »
Quote from: JunkyII on April 30, 2009, 06:18:10 PM
No HO honestly if they can get shot on you while in a stall its alot of times just lucky, put yourself in the position of the plane below you which im sure everyone has been at i know if im close i just start spraying and preying to hit till my plane forces itsself over.

Agreed.  I hate Ho's but if you nose over in a rope and he still happens to be facing you...oh well.

I've been sliding backwards, albeit briefly, still facing the guy roping me, but clearly not in control.
If he shoots me in the face at that point, it's my fault. 

If you knowingly follow someone into a rope you are:

A) Absolutely sure you have as much, or more, E as he does.
B) Taking a gamble that he'll wait too long to reverse and pull a sloppy end over while you still have enough control to get the shot.
C) Dumb
D) Having a bad night, so what the heck.
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Offline Fianna

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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 07:51:53 PM »
If he's still facing you when you're on your way down, it's likely that he hasn't stalled yet. I'd call it a HO, unless it's clear that he isn't in control.
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Offline Phantomz

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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 08:03:37 PM »
I suck so bad i shoot every chance i get.. I only ho if its more of them then me... But in that instance i say it wouldnt be a ho either. :salute
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Offline Wolfala

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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2009, 08:12:24 PM »


Impossible to resist I know.

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Offline B4Buster

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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2009, 08:28:32 PM »
Not a HO in my opinion either. I got in a disagreement about this with a..erm...fine gentleman named 'Damaged' a few nights ago. He was picking in an La-7, so I followed him up with a 38. He came back down on me and I blasted him. Of course he wasn't pleased about the apparent "HO" but in that situation he's at just as much fault.

Good to see what others think about it because it's definately a gray area in "game ethics"
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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 08:48:13 PM »
A HO when the only other thing you could do is nose away and give him a free shot while you sit like a duck :lol  That's like complaining it's a HO when you come up for a vulch and fly into someone's forward cone, and get shot down.
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Offline stodd

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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2009, 09:10:47 PM »
Could the plane going up have gotten his nose on you and be able to keep it on you? If not then no HO. Depending on each situation I too am sometimes hesitant on taking this shot.
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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2009, 09:28:49 PM »
You underestimated his energy, he is still going up whilst you are coming down.

Get it right and he'll be stalling out and you'll have a lovely planform to shoot at - get it wrong and yes - he has a solution on you. You're to blame. If I was the bad guy and you offered me a shot to nothing, damn straight I'll take it!
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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2009, 09:30:00 PM »
Quote from: gpwurzel on April 30, 2009, 06:11:44 PM
This is something that I (for some reason) got concerned about. When roping a plane and you loop back over the top, and he's still on the way up, but obviously not going to catch you - would that count as a ho?


Looping over the top......  not me.    :D
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Offline Belial

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Re: Ho's and ropes
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2009, 09:41:30 PM »
Since I started flying the LA7 this happens to me alot, I am only alive 75% of time after this said shot going down into them lol.
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