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Offline Urchin

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SCA fighting
« on: May 03, 2009, 03:15:33 AM »
Well, the topic on the 'greatest warriors' got me interested - samurai vs Viking, etc.  I only saw one (disparaging) comment about the SCA in the thread, and I didn't want to side track it.

Anyone else ever do SCA fighting?  I can't speak to the 'accuracy' of it, but I had fun doing it for a couple years.  I think it did a fair job of recreating what a medieval melee would have been like, and it was fun as heck to boot (well, the fighting part was, anyway - the silly RPG stuff afterwards...  not so much).

As far as samurai vs viking...  from my SCA experience I'd say sword and board has an edge over a two handed weapon :)

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Re: SCA fighting
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2009, 05:44:34 AM »
I have been doing it for 39 years.... I enjoy it, but the arthritis in my shoulder is slowing me down some. It did allow me a significant advantage in rifle bayonet training.
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Re: SCA fighting
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2009, 09:04:22 AM »
SCA fighting is okay for what it is. It is not a 100% accurate, but what is?  They could rid of 99% of the beef people have with SCA fighting if they changed two or three things not related to safety. Greatsword or single arming sword is actually more interesting under SCA rules because there are less "gamey" techniques involved in it than some SCA sword and board styles.

As far as samurai vs viking...  from my SCA experience I'd say sword and board has an edge over a two handed weapon :)

Yes...anyone who has ever sparred against a sword and shield realizes what a tremendous obstacle the shield is. There is a reason nearly every martial culture used them at one point or the other.
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Re: SCA fighting
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2009, 03:55:17 PM »
There are quite a few things about samurai history that I find puzzling. On the one hand, they liked their bows very much, but at the same time refrained from using shields - the natural counter to archers, at least until plate armor. Of course, as long as the other side is playing by the same rules and does not use shields, it is still a "fair fight".

Gunpowder was known in Japan since they've met with the colonial powers. They still banned it and continued to fight with their traditional weapons. Again, since they were only fighting among themselves, it worked for them. Same as with the shields, it seems that Samurai were not so much interested in gaining every advantage possible in the battle field as much as European powers did. Instead they wanted to be the best warriors under their own terms. In Europe, a nation that did not keep up with the latest battle techniques and arms, was run over.

Samurai became more myth than history. They were only adapted to fight other samurai and their ventures in the mainland Asia were not that impressive. The fact that traditional fighting techniques are still practiced in Japan while western fighting techniques faded into history (save a few vaguely written manuals that survived in ancient tomes) is not a testimony of their effectiveness - it just a testimony of how quick the west was to dump the old in favor of the new to gain every possible advantage.
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Re: SCA fighting
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2009, 05:31:04 PM »
There are quite a few things about samurai history that I find puzzling. On the one hand, they liked their bows very much, but at the same time refrained from using shields - the natural counter to archers, at least until plate armor. Of course, as long as the other side is playing by the same rules and does not use shields, it is still a "fair fight".

Because they started as mounted archers/cavalry, and by the time they became foot-soldiers, their armor had already progressed to about the same level of protection that led to European knights using shields less and two-handed weapons more.
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