Chrysler-Fiat? Jeep-Fiat? ???

[USRanger]

What's it called Skuzzy?  That looks like a 20 year old's dream machine.

[Lusche]

It's the upcoming Ford Focus RS Mk II. Here in Germany it will cost 33900€

[Furball]

That looks like a Ford Focus RS.

Follows in line from the other fast UK fords such as the: -

Escort Cosworth



Mondeo ST



Fiesta RS



Sierra Cosworth

[Widewing]

In mud, that 1,000 rpm makes ALL of the difference.   

JKs have BLD (Brake Lock Differentials), and there is an algorithm in the computer that distributes torque to the four wheels (drive by wire throttle). The computer determines how much torque is required and distributes power. In some ways, this system is better in mud than locked differentials. Besides, mud is about horsepower, RPM and momentum. MY JK has LSD and BLD, with a new set of 33" Dyna Pro M/Ts. Mud is no sweat. You really have to screw up to get stuck. In terms of technology, the JK is to all previous Wranglers like the F-22 is to the F-86.


My regards,

Widewing

[oboe]

I have never been able to figure out what Fiat could've been thinking with the Multipla.



I really don't want those designers anywhere near my Jeep.

[VonMessa]

JKs have BLD (Brake Lock Differentials), and there is an algorithm in the computer that distributes torque to the four wheels (drive by wire throttle). The computer determines how much torque is required and distributes power. In some ways, this system is better in mud than locked differentials. Besides, mud is about horsepower, RPM and momentum. MY JK has LSD and BLD, with a new set of 33" Dyna Pro M/Ts. Mud is no sweat. You really have to screw up to get stuck. In terms of technology, the JK is to all previous Wranglers like the F-22 is to the F-86.


My regards,

Widewing

You (possibly intentionally ?) didn't mention driver skill.

There is a Jeep Jamboree about an hour from here in the NJ Pine Barrens.  They do it once a year, and this weekend is when this year's will be held. 

I went one year.  They charge $250/person (less for kids).  The price includes meals, an hour mandatory training Sat. & Sun, and the trail guides along the way.  Even with the training, it still doesn't help some folks.  There are holes in the Pine Barrens that can almost swallow my TJ.  The only time I got stuck (without being able to get myself out with the Hi-Jack, tow strap and/or come-a-long) was when I went on the Jamboree.  The knowledge of the "trail guides" leaves a bit to be desired.   I prefer the slow and steady approach, keeping the R's at a decent level, and not losing my momentum.  Having me stop in the bog to wait for the numb-nuts in front of me to figure out what he was doing was the wrong answer.  It was the only time I needed a recovery vehicle to yank me out.  I will NEVER pay that much to go wheeling in a public place ever again.  I will go this weekend, on my own however, and have a laugh with my son, watching them.   

My TJ has the 4.0 inline and it was one of the reasons I bought it (it's an 06), while they were still putting them in.  I've had a few Wranglers over the years and as far as I am concerned, nothing beats the old straight six.  What I like is the reliability, the overabundance of parts for them, the ease of repair, and the power they make.  I beat the crap out of all my vehicles, and they seem to hold up to the abuse the most.  I like my torque range right where it is, and since it is a stick (and yes, I kinda dig the 6-speed), I can coax what I need out of the engine when I need it..  It's a Sport, so it has the Dana 44 like the Rubicon, but not the auto lockers (which I do not like to begin with as IMO they are horrible in the snow).  I have never been in a situation (yet) where I wished I had lockers.

I don't need any more top end, and I don't like the fact that the V-6 makes the power in the higher RPM range.  I need (and prefer) the low-end torque without having to wind it up too much.  It is, IMO, harder to crawl over stuff when you have to juice it too much to get the pull you need.  If speed is what I want, I'll take the '69 Goat out of the garage and go romp on it.  The TJ is definitely NOT a speed machine.  I've installed the flux capacitor, I just can't get the Jeep to hit 88mph      

Just my .002


-Dan


"If I wanted a hummer, I would have called your sister"

O|||||||O       .......there is only one. (for now, I guess)

[Masherbrum]

"If I wanted a hummer, I would have called your sister"

O|||||||O       .......there is only one. (for now, I guess)

That is my Club President's 99 TJ.   He grenaded Reverse, 1st and 2nd pulling an H1 out of mud, up to it's hub.    We helped him swap the transmission, but it pissed off the H1 driver that a TJ could, after he said "It couldn't."   

My Club is the most Active Club in Michigan.   We hold a Winter Run that now rivals the Nationally known "Sno-Blind" event.   We also clear 50 miles of trails twice a year for the DNR.   

But WW, come out to Michigan, I'll have you "pulling cable" in no time.   We have a JK in our club, but even says the lack of low end torque is crappy (He has a Rubicon JK).   It's a shame they ditched the Straight 6 for "fuel economy".   If you want "fuel economy", Jeep should be last on anyone's list.   

But, you SHOULD try and drive out here in January for our "Sno-Fari Event".   This year we had TJ's with 6.0L's, on 38's getting stuck.   The snow was at the MINIMUM 30" deep.   Summer brings on Mud in places that will envelop any vehicle without mercy.

Our Clubs logo was designed by my best friend, who is the Tresurer:

[VonMessa]

There hasn't been a lot of snow here fro the past few years, but Rausch Creek off-road park is about an hour or so North of here (kinda pricy, and too many rules) and the Pine Barrens in Jersey are free.  There are many different kinds of terrain there (not too much crawling to be had, though as New Jersey is, for the most part, one huge sand bar).  Plenty of mud there though, especially in the spring, big holes to go swamping in, bogs, pea gravel, sand pits, fording, etc.  I suggest you bring a GPS, though (and not a cell phone style either, as there is no signal).  If you have ever seen the Sopranos episode where Paulie got lost in the Pine Barrens, it really is no joke, and if you go off the beaten path, it's not hard to lose your bearings.

Probably the most fun you can have for the price of a tank of gas (fill up in Hammonton before you go) and a bag lunch.  It's as legal to wheel there as you want it to be.  Just don't go destroying the ecology (i.e. no making new paths as there are plenty there to be had already).   

Tread lightly.......

slightlyoffroaders.com

[Furball]

I have never been able to figure out what Fiat could've been thinking with the Multipla.
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Along with Ferrari, they also own Maserati: -



And Alfa Romeo...



So we should be willing to forgive them for a mistake or two