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Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2000, 07:42:00 AM »
 
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Still, you've got to admire his single-minded dedication to the Axis cause.  (Image removed from quote.)

LOL!! that was worth a laugh this morning  

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Offline Westy

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« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2000, 08:08:00 AM »
LoL. Quite a few chuckles in here this am. Which a releif for a change   Thanks Toad and lynx, as well as the rest  

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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2000, 09:21:00 AM »
RAM,

Ahh, maybe the first FW190 beat the first F4U into the air but consider two things.

1. The BMW-801 was based on a license built early Pratt and Whitney design.

2. Kurt Tank was the father of the FW190 correct? After the war he immagrated where?
To Argintina where he pioneered Argintine Military Air power. I do not know how long he lived or remained active in the aircraft design field or Continued to select Aircraft to be used by the Argintine military, but in 1956 to 1972 the Commando Aviacion Naval Argentina was Flying F4U's of it's carrier decks not FW190's with tail hooks. So clearly this shows Kurt Tanks intent, that all along he wanted to design an F4U  

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Offline Kieren

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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2000, 10:47:00 AM »
 
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So clearly this shows Kurt Tanks intent, that all along he wanted to design an F4U

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hehehehe.....

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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2000, 12:22:00 PM »
RAM said:
> M.C.202: read my posts again, I didnt say the Fw190 was DESIGNED as an inline engined plane,
> I said that the FIRST idea of the Fw was to be engined by an inline engine, and that is a
fact
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>Kurt Tank started work on a radial engined one...but that was before designing it

Ah, but did he think of it as "the FW190" or "another damm fighter with an inline engine" ? :-)
What came first, the chicken or the FW190?

> I admit I made a mistake, BMW132 was a 800hp engine (mistook the number), the original BMW
> intended for the 190 was, as But...look where you read those things, MC202...because
> that quote is COMPLETELY wrong. First, because the BMW139 (And later the BMW801) was
> a 14-cylinder engine. not 18.Second, Because BMW139 was in the eve of its development, and
> the BMW801 WAS the bench-run, not the 139. Care to tell me in wich magazine did you read that?  (j/k)

Page 194 of:

"WARPLANES OF THE THIRD REICH
William Green
Doubleday and Company, Inc
Garden City, New York
C 1970
(mine's the forth impression, 1979)
Also see page 195.

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> BTW I'm still waiting for you to tell me wich were the things that Fw190 copied from
> Fokker XXI, MC200, Nate and Curtiss Hawk

Lynx said:
> This is so easy RAM - almost like taking a candy from a baby:

> - being able to fly;
> - radial engine;
> - 2 wings;
> - 1 tail section;
> - radial engine...

I went for small airframe and light weight as well as the above.



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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2000, 01:00:00 PM »
Man, I am surprised how nobody has mentioned the REAL planes which were copied DIRECTLY.

All this theoretical ho-hum about what might or might not have happened...LOL

Why not try on some REAL industrial intrigue?

The Soviets directly copied and built their own C-47's and B-29's.   No questions there; the planes even look identical.   Unfortunately, being communist, they never paid any royalties to the real designers of those planes.   (Indeed, the B-29 was so much more advanced than Russian designs that the Soviets had a hard time copying it.)


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« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2000, 05:13:00 PM »
...I am Kurt Tank's love child...  

Offline Westy

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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2000, 08:35:00 PM »
lol Kieren....  You guys are cracking me up with the FW inferences and other jokes  

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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2000, 09:10:00 PM »
I know a good one. The Russians copied the AIM-9 Sidewinder bolt-for-bolt as the AA-2 Atoll, when they recovered one from the jetpipe of a Chinese MiG-15 after a Taiwanese F-86 had put it up there, but it had failed to explode...