Author Topic: LOL f4u catching 109G10 (Read 1215 times)

StSanta · « **on:** October 30, 2000, 10:42:00 AM »

Funny film: I had an f4u d800 my 6, slowly extending from him. Then suddenly he started taining, so I dived a bit. When he kept on gaining, I started film recorder:
http://www.geocities.com/stsantasatan/f4ucatching.zip

Pretty funny.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 10-31-2000).]

Westy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2000, 10:57:00 AM »

Link doesn't work. Can you describe what happened?

-Westy

Fishu · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2000, 11:30:00 AM »

I've noticed that these so called 'fast accelerating' 109's has very slow acceleration after some 250-280mph...
that takes some edge from its total speed advantage...
And I always thought that Me109 series was most fastest accerlating planes during WW2 and Fw190 were quite fast in that job too..
In AH it seems that Fw190 gets to be second in accelerating race with P47 when level and starting from low speeds.. not to talk about higher speeds which seems almost impossible to achieve.
Same thing in Me109 with AH.. they do accelerate fine in the begining, but then after about 280mph there comes dramatic drop in acceleration.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2000, 11:59:00 AM »

Hi

Had the same thing happend to me, but in reverse. I was gaining steadily then he pulled away, all straight and level with no diving. I was G10 with plenty of WEP he was F4U. Only happend once tho, so it might have been lag, but u never know.

thanks GRUNHERZ

fscott · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2000, 12:08:00 PM »

I've pretty much given up on asking for tweaks in the flight modelling. If the AH version of the F4 is faster than a 109G10 on the deck then so be it. No sense in arguing about it. I would like to see the tweaks as soon as they become apparent, but there *always* seems to be a excuse as to why one plane or another is not performing like historic records say it should. HT will fine-tune things when and if he gets to it.

fscott

Vermillion · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2000, 01:18:00 PM »

Fuel load is quite critical in situations like this.

A very light F4U could reasonably catch a fuel heavy 109G10 in acceleration (I don't know this is fact, just saying that it may be possible)

But I do know this. Put 100% fuel load in both aircraft, and the G10 will outrun the F4U every time.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

Fishu · « **Reply #6 on:** October 30, 2000, 01:19:00 PM »

Fscott,

Can't fix that what you don't know... (or take a look into it for that matter)

Hooligan · « **Reply #7 on:** October 30, 2000, 01:49:00 PM »

Lets see the actual film. StSanta if for some reason you can't get your link working, email the film to me and I will post it.

Hooligan

StSanta · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2000, 05:21:00 AM »

oooops, link fixed, try it again on top of page.

I started the film a little late, though, as I discovered that he was actually beginning to catch me.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

Hooligan · « **Reply #9 on:** October 31, 2000, 09:42:00 AM »

By the time that you started your film the only thing that is apparent is that you both had a lot of smash and that he has more. Did you both just come out of dives?

Hooligan

Kirin · « **Reply #10 on:** October 31, 2000, 02:21:00 PM »

just dropping by for a small comment - haven't seen the film yet but here's what I have to say:

Yesterday I got into a knife fight with a C-Hog myself being in a FW190-A5 (2*20,50% fuel) - I came in with a huge alt advantage but blew it all pushing the fight because he was near his field... so we were going round and round in circles finally, me being in a slight angular advantage. BUT there was no way gaining more angles on him... we just kept going round and round... I know that the 190 (no version) is a T&B plane but the F4Us performance surprised me nevetheless. I finally broke off because there was another enemy coming up from the field. I outaccelrated him level but could not climb from him. That puzzled me - besides AW3 I thought the F4U to be a lousy climber, or at least lousier than the 190A5 - please enlighten me... I got shot down in the end and I <S> my foe, Whels - it was a fun fight but the dogfighting abilities of the C-Hog really surprised me, especially we being on the deck... I got the film and gonna post it as soon as I get a gap in my schedule...

I don't have much experience G10vsCHog in 1.4 but there were darn fast in the previous versions... and moreover 1.4 and CT seem to have tamed the nasty stall behaviour of it... add Hispano Turbolasers MarkII and here we go TieFighter vs X-Wing all the way...

Jigster · « **Reply #11 on:** October 31, 2000, 02:31:00 PM »

Very simple, the F4U-1C activated an interesting device installed only on none-knit planes.

The two outter Hispanos rotate 180 degrees and the pilot then depresses the trigger, allowing for brief periods of near super-sonic speed for the tiny rocket motors hidden within the shells (that give it such a flat trajectory)

This also leaves two forward firing Hispanos, more then enough to deal with anything encountered.

It was thought that only Finland lacked access to this information but it is much less available then first thought.

- Jig

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #12 on:** October 31, 2000, 03:37:00 PM »

in the same directory,

LOL a G6 catching a D25 in dive

Well...what can we do about it

fd ski · « **Reply #13 on:** October 31, 2000, 05:04:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Jigster:
Very simple, the F4U-1C activated an interesting device installed only on none-knit planes.

The two outter Hispanos rotate 180 degrees and the pilot then depresses the trigger, allowing for brief periods of near super-sonic speed for the tiny rocket motors hidden within the shells (that give it such a flat trajectory)

This also leaves two forward firing Hispanos, more then enough to deal with anything encountered.

It was thought that only Finland lacked access to this information but it is much less available then first thought.

- Jig

You forgot to add that this feature was stolen from Fw 190 design.

The test pilot flew 190 with reversable Mg151s and he designed/build and tested F4U with reversable Hispanos all by himself !!!

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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

-ammo- · « **Reply #14 on:** October 31, 2000, 06:20:00 PM »

I eat corsairs, both models, for lunch in the Yak-9. Now that plane IS uber. I even get lucky and beat well flown F4's on occasion. As far as fast, I always thought of the corsair as being just that. faster than a G-10, I doubt it, but if it has alot of built E then it is a beast to catch.

ammo