Spit vs Hurri

[MachFly]

A few days ago TBone posted a mission involving Spitfire mk I and Hurricane mkI. There were 9 people in a hurri and only 2 in a spit.



Why?
I never actually flown Hurri in combat but from what I heard spitfire is better (historically as least). During the Battle of Britain Spitfires would fight the 109s, and Hurricanes would go after the bombers.

[sethipus]

The Hurri I is slower than molasses but boy can it turn.  And I haven't really looked into this, it's just my impression, but you seem to be able to push more negative Gs in the Hurri I before the engine cuts out than you can in the Spit I.  One seems to get almost a whole negative G out of the Hurri I, and just a fraction of a G out of the Spit, so in some ways the Hurri I is easier to fly.

[Masherbrum]

The Hurri I is slower than molasses but boy can it turn.  And I haven't really looked into this, it's just my impression, but you seem to be able to push more negative Gs in the Hurri I before the engine cuts out than you can in the Spit I.  One seems to get almost a whole negative G out of the Hurri I, and just a fraction of a G out of the Spit, so in some ways the Hurri I is easier to fly.

I've never had issues with Negative G's in either.   I dunno what to tell you.   They're both excellent craft and I'd still love to see a Schatzi vs Banshee7 duel in Hurry 1's.   

[Oldman731]

so in some ways the Hurri I is easier to fly.

In all ways the Hurri I is easier to fly than the Spit I.  Most notably, the Hurri I turns better than any other plane except the A6M2 (and they're close), and it doesn't have that weird unrecoverable inverted spin that the Spit I has.

- oldman

[Krusty]

Hurricanes are over-modeled. Roll rate noticably slower in the real deal. In the real world, there were major benefits to flying a spitfire vs a hurricane. In AH the hurr trumps all.

[Angus]

Well, in real life, the enemy was the 109, and the difference between life and death there would boil down to speed. The Spit has about the same speed, while the Hurry is too slow.

[trotter]

Small sample size maybe?

Who knows why people fly one plane in any given mission over the other. Friends they see in one craft, general independent random selection coincidence, etc. I'd say the Spit1 and Hurri1 are about equally popular in AH, nowhere near the 4.5:1 ratio portrayed in the screenshot.

The Hurri1 is noncompetitive against almost everything in the planeset, assuming a correctly flown planeset. I would estimate it gets at least 30% of its usage from people who ask "What's the best turner?" and are directed to it.

The Spit1, although also very noncompetitive, has a slightly larger dedicated flier contingent (spit dweebs almost have a union) and it at least can compete against some other early war craft in climb and speed (certainly not roll!).

You're absolutely right about how the Hurri and Spit were generally used in the Battle of Britain, although Hurri's weren't "bomber only", they actually did pretty well against the 109's when vectored that way.

[Lusche]

Small sample size maybe?

Who knows why people fly one plane in any given mission over the other. Friends they see in one craft, general independent random selection coincidence, etc. I'd say the Spit1 and Hurri1 are about equally popular in AH, nowhere near the 4.5:1 ratio portrayed in the screenshot.

Total 2008 LW arena numbers:

Hurricane I
6567 kills, 16608 deaths, K/D 0,4

Spitfire I
4120 kills, 16936 deaths, K/D 0,24


In my opinion the reason why the Hurri is more popular and more "successful" is not the slight difference in turning radius. Spit I still outturns almost everything else with ease while being faster than the Hurri. It's the horrible rate of roll. That's a decisive diadvantage for a plane still being so slow that it's survival depends on being able to evade quickly.

I think that's the same reason while the 109E is being used even less than the Hurri I too.

[Ex-jazz]

The spit1 guns are all over the wing, while hurri1 has very tightly grouped guns.

The hurri1 had weird unrecoverable inverted flat spin already in AH1 and it get more common in AH2.

Good old HMk1 is a attitude plane.   

[Krusty]

You probably wouldn't take the hurr1 (given the choice of that or spit1) if it were properly modeled. It and the 110C are both quite overmodeled in this game, to the point that if they flew like this in real life we'd be seeing Hurr16s and 110K4s instead of spits/109s.

[Ex-jazz]

You probably wouldn't take the hurr1 (given the choice of that or spit1) if it were properly modeled. It and the 110C are both quite overmodeled in this game, to the point that if they flew like this in real life we'd be seeing Hurr16s and 110K4s instead of spits/109s.

Feel free to proof it.

[Bruv119]

i'd take the spit 1 over it anyday,  I wouldn't be seen dead in a Hurricane.  They be watermelon planes. 

[Banshee7]

I've never had issues with Negative G's in either.   I dunno what to tell you.   They're both excellent craft and I'd still love to see a Schatzi vs Banshee7 duel in Hurry 1's.   

Agreed.

i'd take the spit 1 over it anyday,  I wouldn't be seen dead in a Hurricane.  They be watermelon planes. 

How dare you?!?!?! 

[Spikes]

In all ways the Hurri I is easier to fly than the Spit I.  Most notably, the Hurri I turns better than any other plane except the A6M2 (and they're close), and it doesn't have that weird unrecoverable inverted spin that the Spit I has.

- oldman

I was flying a Spit 1 in tank town and got into a fight with Shuffler in his 38J. It was a true low and slow turn fight and I had a helluva time fighting the torque and the engine cutting out on my Spit 1.

[TonyJoey]

i'd take the spit 1 over it anyday,  I wouldn't be seen dead in a Hurricane.  They be watermelon planes. 

Same here