Author Topic: B-24 Liberator (Read 819 times)

7SinS · « **on:** November 19, 2001, 01:39:00 PM »

Since these puppies were the most widely produced bomber of WW2 I would like to see them included in AH.
Just a thought, I rarely fly a bomber,but would be nice for historical purposes and was wondering if anyone else agrees with this??
On a personal note my late father piloted one so it has a sentimental nature for me.

[ 11-19-2001: Message edited by: 7SinS ]

Dowding · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2001, 01:50:00 PM »

Considering the time it takes to model a four engined bomber, I personally would rather see (in order of preference):

a) Tu-2
b) That Japanese bomber
c) B-29 (perk)

The B-24 would be nice for scenarios, but I should think most people would take a B-17 over it in the MA.

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Steven · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2001, 03:49:00 PM »

I agree. A well-rounded plane set has to include the B-24. A very important aircraft which served many years in many theaters. One thing I do not want to see are any more perk-planes.

brady · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2001, 08:31:00 PM »

Please I mean nothing personaly by this we all ahve our favorates.

yes lets all hope that HTC spends more time adding stuff to the US plane set god knows they have benn short changed in the plane, GV, and Ship departments.

Soviet · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2001, 01:12:00 AM »

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Originally posted by brady:
Please I mean nothing personaly by this we all ahve our favorates.

yes lets all hope that HTC spends more time adding stuff to the US plane set god knows they have benn short changed in the plane, GV, and Ship departments.

Agreed next release shouldn't have ONE us thing in it. Give the Russians and Japanese some more stuff. Germans have a good planeset, Brits have a good one too, Americans have a lot of planes, Japanese have Ki-61, A6m5 and Nik2 that's a lot isn't it

and the Russians have 5 aircraft pretty fair but we need more ground pounders

Midnight · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2001, 08:28:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding:
The B-24 would be nice for scenarios, but I should think most people would take a B-17 over it in the MA.

I would rather have the B-24. It had just as many guns as a B17, plus it could carry more payload.

I think a better choice than the B-17.

Goner · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2001, 09:22:00 AM »

Since these puppies were the most widely produced bomber of WW2 I would like to see them included in AH.

i'd love to see them too ... but ; we already have 2 allied heavies (Lanc & B-17).

so what i would really like are planes to 'fill the gaps' like the Stuka, Me-110, Betty, Val, P-40, Pe-2 ...
and yeah, i know, some of 'm are of no use in the arena. and i would still fly them there

Goner

SELECTOR · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2001, 12:54:00 PM »

B24 great idea.B29 great idea but no perk. i dont think any bomber should be perked.
I agree a larger bomber set may also encourage more pilots to fly them.
Also i was wondering what people thought about spawn points for bombers over their own bases (maybe specific bases)at say 10-15k to cut down the slow climb out of home base. i think this may also encourage more buff pilots

fdiron · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2001, 01:15:00 PM »

The fact of the matter is that U.S. fighters arent as good as other fighters in the MA. Now before you start crying and throwing tantrums, go check the kill stats. Other than the P38 or F6f, you need about 15k of alt to really be competitive in the U.S. fighters.

I'm all for the B29. Don't perk it. It wasnt perked in real life (with held for only aces). U.S. bombers really shined above the competition in WW2. Should be the same way in AH.

Wotan · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2001, 01:38:00 PM »

fdiron for the most part the majority of guys flying US iron arent that skilled.

Certainly each plane set has its experts and aces that kick arse bigtime.

This is mho and I havent taken a poll karnak.

Its just when my squad engages a us plane we can tell in within seconds they need practice. This is because more folks fly US stuff (certainly more allied stuff) and certainly more of the newer guys do.

But in each US plane there are guys who do unbelieveable things. theres 47 experts 51 experts 38 experts so those overall numbers dont really give you a good idea on how competitive that planeset is.

A minority of players fly lw ac and the percentage of aces/experts is higher. Also these expert/aces push the lw k/d up. Check the top lw squads and subtract there kills from the total. Do the same same with the US aces/experts and I think you would see they are relatively equal.

However I do believe the p38 is the easiest plane to kill in AH. Any kind of cannon hit has the potential to kill it. I don't know how real this is but I have read several accounts about early p38s in Europe and from the majority of accounts the plane was a pos.

I believe that one of the first flights was completely shot down while escorting buffs.

Karnak · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2001, 04:18:00 PM »

fdiron,

I don't think you fylly understand the purpose of the perk system (I'm not sure anybody outside of HTC does).

One of the purposes is to keep aircraft that would be overly dominant under control. The B-29A is one such aircraft. If it were added as a freebie, there would be no reason to ever take anything else. Its fast, well armed and carries a huge payload. All other bomber, American or otherwise, would become curiosities in the MA.

BTW, there are a goodly number of historians who would not agree with your take on American bombers. Several British bombers are widely held to be up there in the top category.

Wotan,

Actually, I think you're right. Generally speaking, the more popular an aircraft is, the lower the average skill level of those who fly it in theses sims. It is simply a matter of how many non-dedicated fans of that aircraft fly it and American aircraft get a lot of that, as do British aircraft (particularly Spits). Other aircraft can reach that point too, if they perform well enough in easy to handle ways, such as the N1K2 and La-7.

Fishu · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2001, 04:40:00 PM »

Fdiron,

They already are all over in AH

Every simulation has bunch of this and that US bombers.. can we have some OTHER bombers for a change.
Im not much after pacific or japanese but they need bomber, germans needs something else than 1940 equipped Ju88A4, russians doesnt even have bomber like japses.

..how about we add Do17Z in FAF markings

Sac1 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2001, 09:32:00 PM »

I would just like to see a bomber that could take as much as it dishes out.

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** November 21, 2001, 11:35:00 PM »

Sac1,

I'm pretty sure that a Fairey Battle MkI can take as much as it can dish out.

Nothing!