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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2009, 05:02:53 PM »
I saw this beast in an email

This Sturgeon was caught on the Willamette River just below Oregon City,  two weeks ago.   
It weighed out at over 1,000 lbs and measured out at 11'1".
It was 56" around the girth and took over 6 and a half hours, and 4 dozen beers, for the 4 guys taking turns at the reeling it in.Any Sturgeon OVER about five feet has to be released unharmed and cannot be removed from the water.  They are brood/breeding stock and probably older than most of us.

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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2009, 05:30:37 PM »

Spearing would be fun! I've never done that.
Hooks will generally rust out of them pretty quickly.

Out here you can keep one sturgeon a year, and it has to be between 3.5'- 5' in length. Anything bigger than that has reached reproductive age and is protected. This has helped them come back from near extinction after they were almost killed off for caviar. You can still fish the oversized for sport (like we were doing), you just have to release them. They're so old and fat, and there's so many pollutants in the river that I wouldn't want to eat one anyways. That's one of the few species I support inland fish farming of.

But they put up an awesome fight! You use a barb-less hook, so you have to keep tension on the whole time or you're going to lose it. That one took me 35minutes and we drifted about a mile and a half down river.

Waiting on commercial albacore season in July. Thinking about throwing out a rod and seeing if I can 'accidentally' catch a big shark.  :D

You should! The gorge is a real nice place, and pretty central to all sorts of things and places.

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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2009, 06:33:20 PM »
Any Sturgeon OVER about five feet has to be released unharmed and cannot be removed from the water.  They are brood/breeding stock and probably older than most of us.

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That gose for any game that we hook or kill.  They have a good gene that can spread.
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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2009, 07:31:00 PM »
nice fish Scotch :aok years ago there was a healthy population in the great lakes.They were harvested,dried and used as fuel!!! That led to their desimation although they are still found in fair numbers in Georgian Bay.

 Can you imagine the smell of 40 or 50 of them drying on the deck of a boat???   :eek:

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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2009, 08:08:13 PM »
nice fish Scotch :aok years ago there was a healthy population in the great lakes.They were harvested,dried and used as fuel!!! That led to their desimation although they are still found in fair numbers in Georgian Bay.

 Can you imagine the smell of 40 or 50 of them drying on the deck of a boat???   :eek:

They still occasionally get a large one out of Lake Champlain too, but they have to be thrown back no matter their size. They have no season AFAIK.
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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2009, 08:30:21 PM »
I've only fished for sturgeon once.  It was below McNary dam.  Must have been about 20 boats, all in line below the dam.   There wasn't room to anchor next to them, so we tried to anchor below them. But the water was swift and we kept drifting down river.  We saw that all the other boats were hooked to anchor buoys.  So when the owner of the boat, my coworker at the time, saw a buoy upstream of the other boats, we hooked to it and began fishing. Well, we had no real clue how to fish for sturgeon, only what the guy at the bait shop told us.  After about three and half hours of nothing, we decided to call it. The ramp was on the Oregon side of the river, when we pulled in a guy in plain clothes flashed a badge and asked to see our fishing licenses. All I had was an expired Washington one, I lived in the tricities for a while. Any way he wrote me a deserved fine and then turned to my coworker and began citing him for all kinds of violations. Not the least of which, and this was the reason he approached us, anchoring closer than 500' or was it 300' from the dam. That's where all the other boats were anchored. That was in '81, I hope the fishing has gotten better.
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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2009, 12:10:31 AM »
Fishing below the dams can be very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Good idea to go with someone who's got some experience before you try it for the first time.
The sturgeon fishing is pretty good there still.

Hey scotch, you can catch all the oversize you want right off of goat island in june.....   $.02
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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2009, 04:36:07 PM »
There are some HUGE cats in the Tennessee River!  It seems divers have gone down to check intake grates at Pickwick Dam and furiously fought themselves to the surface after encountering 150 & 200 lb'ers...scared excrementless.   :uhoh

It seems they get real big at that location because they don't have to go far and at the dam--the food comes to them.  :uhoh



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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2009, 08:44:26 PM »
my dad an uncle caught some huge catfish close to the dam.Biggest I saw was 90lbs.Man that thing was huge.That was back in 66
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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2009, 08:54:06 PM »

Spearing would be fun! I've never done that.
Hooks will generally rust out of them pretty quickly.

Out here you can keep one sturgeon a year, and it has to be between 3.5'- 5' in length. Anything bigger than that has reached reproductive age and is protected. This has helped them come back from near extinction after they were almost killed off for caviar. You can still fish the oversized for sport (like we were doing), you just have to release them. They're so old and fat, and there's so many pollutants in the river that I wouldn't want to eat one anyways. That's one of the few species I support inland fish farming of.

But they put up an awesome fight! You use a barb-less hook, so you have to keep tension on the whole time or you're going to lose it. That one took me 35minutes and we drifted about a mile and a half down river.

Waiting on commercial albacore season in July. Thinking about throwing out a rod and seeing if I can 'accidentally' catch a big shark.  :D

You should! The gorge is a real nice place, and pretty central to all sorts of things and places.

I've often contemplated doing some spearing .  It's only allowed on a few lakes here, and I live about a mile from the shore of one of them.  I also have friends that do it, so it would be easy to go, I just haven't done it.  I'm always busy with my falconry at that time of year...

They drag shanties out on the ice, and use chainsaws to cut large rectangular holes (bath-tub size at least).  They then shove the ice block (2 feet thick, and too heavy to lift out...) down under the ice, and to one side.  That's dangerous, as the block can shift suddenly, and flip/rotate over.  If it does that while your pushing down, and you fall in, the "door" will shut over the top of you...

They then drag the shanty over the hole, and in the dark shanty you can see very clearly under the ice (if there's no sediment suspended in the water).  They then drop pre-measured pieces of white PVC pipe down on the bottom of the lake.  They can see that, and use it as a size-reference to judge fish that swim through the area...  They have fish-shaped lures that they jiggle and bounce to attract the sturgeon (curiousity, they don't come in to eat it, hehe)  and then they try to hit it with a pitch-fork sized multi-pronged spear.

Sounds cool, and also very boring.  Imagine staring at a hole all day, and seeing nothing.  Then, when you rub your eyes, you see the tail of the sturgeon as it passes by...  The season lasts until a quota of adult females is reached, or until the last day allowed.  They almost always shut down early, because the quota is reached.  Lots of fish in the 5-6 foot range are harvested.  They're harvested for meat, and many are smoked, or cut into steaks, or both.



Did you see the episode where Babe Winkelman (?) fought the sturgeon in a belly-boat?  That looked like fun!
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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2009, 12:59:12 AM »
At the time my parents lived in Longview,Tex.  I saw a article about a 1,000 lbs catfish at Lake of the Pinds.  Nobody never caught it but one guy claimed that he been after it for 15 years.  I would like to know is how he knows it is a 1000 lbs yet nobody never caught it, and how do they know it is a catfish.  Heck, it could be a alligator. 
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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2009, 05:05:42 AM »


They drag shanties out on the ice, and use chainsaws to cut large rectangular holes (bath-tub size at least).  They then shove the ice block (2 feet thick, and too heavy to lift out...) down under the ice, and to one side.  That's dangerous, as the block can shift suddenly, and flip/rotate over.  If it does that while your pushing down, and you fall in, the "door" will shut over the top of you...

Why don't they just cut the ice into smaller pieces until they get a bathtub sized hole?  No door flipping shut that way.

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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2009, 07:54:54 AM »
I grew up spearing for Northern Pike. Can be quiet at times, but in many respects its more like stand hunting for deer. In a good spot, there is always something moving, perch, sunfish, and forage fish drifting in and out. Crayfish or salamanders on the bottom, etc. And about the time you fall asleep or it goes super quiet, you realize that that big green thing your looking at is the nose of a 10lb Northern Pike! Blood pressure goes through the roof!

We never cut holes that way though, dang dangerous. Plus the straight cuts would shine up over a few days, becoming a mirror, reflecting any movements you made. Dad had Ice chisels made from the rear axles of Model t's, drawn out to a long point with 4 squared edges just back from the point.  (Like a 5' icepick that weighs 20 lbs) Angled strokes at about 15 to 30 degrees, you could easily "explode" ice to 6' deep per stroke.

Most of our fishing was done in 8 - 12 feet of water.  Usually if you went much deeper than that it was harder to see the bottom. You'd get this green fog effect that would screw with your head after a few hours.

Never had the chance to spear a sturgeon, that sounds like a blast.

I've often contemplated doing some spearing .  It's only allowed on a few lakes here, and I live about a mile from the shore of one of them.  I also have friends that do it, so it would be easy to go, I just haven't done it.  I'm always busy with my falconry at that time of year...

They drag shanties out on the ice, and use chainsaws to cut large rectangular holes (bath-tub size at least).  They then shove the ice block (2 feet thick, and too heavy to lift out...) down under the ice, and to one side.  That's dangerous, as the block can shift suddenly, and flip/rotate over.  If it does that while your pushing down, and you fall in, the "door" will shut over the top of you...

They then drag the shanty over the hole, and in the dark shanty you can see very clearly under the ice (if there's no sediment suspended in the water).  They then drop pre-measured pieces of white PVC pipe down on the bottom of the lake.  They can see that, and use it as a size-reference to judge fish that swim through the area...  They have fish-shaped lures that they jiggle and bounce to attract the sturgeon (curiousity, they don't come in to eat it, hehe)  and then they try to hit it with a pitch-fork sized multi-pronged spear.

Sounds cool, and also very boring.  Imagine staring at a hole all day, and seeing nothing.  Then, when you rub your eyes, you see the tail of the sturgeon as it passes by...  The season lasts until a quota of adult females is reached, or until the last day allowed.  They almost always shut down early, because the quota is reached.  Lots of fish in the 5-6 foot range are harvested.  They're harvested for meat, and many are smoked, or cut into steaks, or both.



Did you see the episode where Babe Winkelman (?) fought the sturgeon in a belly-boat?  That looked like fun!

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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2009, 11:06:27 AM »
I've often wondered why they cut their holes this way too.  It's the normal way to do it around here though, with several hundred cut each year (high hundreds), the shanties are everywhere.  These guys take ice spuds out with them too, but they use them to push the ice blocks down and to the side.  Removing the blocks isn't ever done from what I've seen/heard.  For one they're wet and slippery, and very heavy.  Some guys will cut them into smaller chunks, but they're still 2-3 foot on each side...

And one spearer may have two or more shanties out at different points on the lake.  Water clarity varies, and the "hot spots" shift.  The sturgeon are concentrated in different areas depending on the food source (which I believe is some sort of invertebrate).

They probably don't care about the sides of the holes getting shiny, since the season is so short anyway.  Also the shanties are dark, so the fish is in a lighter area, looking into a dark area...  I'm not sure how complex fish eyes are, so I don't know if that matters or not, but that's what the locals believe...  They see it like you're in a house at night with all the lights on.  If you look out the window into the dark, you can't see much.
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Re: River Monsters
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2009, 11:34:45 AM »
Why don't they just cut the ice into smaller pieces until they get a bathtub sized hole?  No door flipping shut that way.

Back to the one that got away stories....


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This is even the lake I live near...

Cutting the hole-  (30 inches of ice is not uncommon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x12df5kDUVE&feature=related

Pushing the block under- (good technique!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klsSZMdDhjU&feature=related

TV news clip- (notice the portable bridge placed so trucks can drive across cracks in the ice...)(used that for regular ice fishing too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x4PYtTFMpk

The big one that got away- (see the white PVC pipe used for size reference)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x4PYtTFMpk

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