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Offline captain1ma

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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2009, 08:20:47 AM »
getting people who don't fly the AVA to stop posting would be nice too. that way that people that do fly the AVA can make suggestions, without being critisized or attacked by someone that has no clue of what they're talking about.

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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2009, 08:23:49 AM »
getting people who don't fly the AVA to stop posting would be nice too. that way that people that do fly the AVA can make suggestions, without being critisized or attacked by someone that has no clue of what they're talking about.


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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2009, 08:38:45 AM »
Oh....and getting Larry to stop posting would help to. The above quote is an example of all the worst of the AvA. I'm sure the guy means well but the AvA would be better served if he just stopped posting (voluntarily...I'm not talking about forcing him to do so). I'm fairly sure I know exactly what he will post in response but Oldman asked for suggestions, so here are my suggestions.

You see dawger I have the right to express my opinion. More then that my opinion matters a wee bit more then yours since I am involved in playing and bettering the arena. You on the other hand have done nothing to help the arena. Nine out of ten of your posts about the AvA revolve around you crying about some set of rules that don't exist. As jaeger said it would help a hell of a lot more if people that don't fly the AvA weren't allowed in here to start trouble. As snaphook said he doesn't care about nor feels like doing anything for the arena yet he feels the need to come here and put people down. And the only reason he doesn't want to do anything because he disagrees with some people. To me that sounds like he wants his way but doesn't want to work for it. Kinda like those beggars you see on the side of the road. They want you to give them money just for sitting there instead of going out and getting a job like everyone else.
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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2009, 08:49:34 AM »
See there is another one of those lies I was talking about. When I see numbers uneven I almost always switch to even them out. The only time I don't is when my squad is some sort of missun. What you probably don't remember, or just don't want to, is the time that the allies were out numbered and I switched over and rolled a SBD right behind you.

Looking at the stats you killed me twice in zeke and I got you once in SBD. When I rolled the SBD initially the allies were outnumbered by more then 2/1 and the fight was right over the little island and atoll. I flew 9 sorties over just under an hour. Obviously you were flying axis for most of that time to have 3 separate encounters with me. I have no reason do argue if you switched or if we flew on the same side for a bit, none of this is personal between you and I. I took a break and came back and the #'s were flip flopped entirely so I flew a zeke. We had high p-40's and buffs attacking the carrier with a mix of F4F's....was a fun fight for a bit and then I logged for the night.

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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2009, 09:04:43 AM »
I think there are so few people there because they're are so few people there. I think if a few people would go there every night and just fight and have fun. More people would show up. IIRC, back in BOA there was around 70 people at one time but I could be wrong.(still remember the first attack the Axis had starting at like 12 at night  :lol)

 When I first started flying in AvA, I thought it would be like real combat. Missions for each side by players setting them up. Like a side would set up a Bomber raid and the other side came after them. But only happens once a week if were lucky  ;). I thought the wars were really fun and hope to see them come back soon. As I have already talked to the CMs for modifying them a little  :).

 Also IMO, if a few more squads would start coming and fly as a squad and have real combat operations etc. I think many people would love it. As FSO is the prime event for Aces High. If a few squads would start showing up and flying combat operations. It would be like FSO every day of the week. I talked to oaktree a few nights ago about some things about AvA. He had an excellent idea and I'll  let him talk about it if he wants. I have many ideas my self but knockin them into a solid piece in my head takes a few days, months, and maybe years.

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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2009, 03:23:28 PM »
I think if you only allow people who regularly fly in the Ava to post opinions on why they don't regularly fly in the AvA then your results might be a little screwy.

But maybe that is just me.

And, yes, Larry you have every right to post any and everything you like but you (and everyone else) must live with the consequences.

And that, in a nutshell, is why the AvA continually struggles.

Fudgums is correct that it has too few people because it has too few people and if a small but vocal percentage continue to work to keep it that way, that is the way it shall remain.


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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2009, 05:09:58 PM »
The point about bomber drones is this:  They are not up to a high enough standard to be included in the game.  They are in the main arena, it's true, but that's no justification to have them enabled when the players have a choice.

If they didn't warp when the lead pilot maneuvers then they would be great.

As for survivability, that's what fighter escorts and boxes are for.
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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2009, 05:40:37 PM »
but i like flying bombers, we've had some great ki-67 missions and some really cool ju88 missions! i never noticed them warping.
of course the fact that we blow alot of stuff up and kill alot of fighters might have something to do with people not liking them. but hey, what do i know!
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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2009, 02:39:12 AM »
I assumed when I joined the whole thing would be like axis v allies. Its an anathema to me two german planes fighting eachother. The planes evolved to fight the other countires planes not each other and this is part of the facination for me. Shure a free for all arena is a good idea but I thought A V A would be the most popular not the least.

When I get a fight in AVA it seems to be dictated by Channel 200 as in why did you do that why arnt ou doing this, you should learn how to do ACM'S better.

I want a realistic combat simulation for a bit of fun not some geek telling me how to play AH like he thinks it should be because he spends most of his life on here.   

I totally agree with you Yarbles, but I never dare speak on the issue.  Your point is why I end up constantly looking for ways to have fun in this game as I so want to as it relates to a WWII experience.  I guess we have a strange quirk in our brains that just can't grasp a p-51 fighting a Spitfire or a 109 shooting down another 109. 

It's an irony to me that as passionate, knowledgeable, and skillful as this community is when it comes to WWII aviation and knowledge of the topic itself I am just beside myself that the mid war arena is a ghost town.  You would think it would be raging with pilots wanting to wage war with these aircraft (which were the planes just about all the pilots flew) without worrying about a Tempest or Spit XVI or P-51D or LA7 arriving via time travel to own the day easily. 

It's an issue of balance.  Axis vs. Allies in an unlimited plane set would be pointless.  It would be a re-enactment of the final year of the war when the axis got chewed up horribly because the allied planes and munitions were just better and with more of them. 

HTC has tried but the community wants a total free for all with all planes from all eras thrown into a giant chaotic salad so Galileio's math book has been thrown.  Maybe one day someone will make a real WWII combat sim that hits the war at it's most competitive point.. mid war.  Aces High is late war.  Battleground Europe is early war.

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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2009, 08:37:32 PM »
You see dawger I have the right to express my opinion. More then that my opinion matters a wee bit more then yours since I am involved in playing and bettering the arena. You on the other hand have done nothing to help the arena. Nine out of ten of your posts about the AvA revolve around you crying about some set of rules that don't exist. As jaeger said it would help a hell of a lot more if people that don't fly the AvA weren't allowed in here to start trouble. As snaphook said he doesn't care about nor feels like doing anything for the arena yet he feels the need to come here and put people down. And the only reason he doesn't want to do anything because he disagrees with some people. To me that sounds like he wants his way but doesn't want to work for it. Kinda like those beggars you see on the side of the road. They want you to give them money just for sitting there instead of going out and getting a job like everyone else.


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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2009, 10:04:22 PM »
You're a 22 year old kid.   

And he works hard to create missions that will be a lot of fun for people.

Come help us out, Karaya.  Standing on the sidelines throwing tomatos provides some perspective, but we could use some real assistance.

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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2009, 10:15:45 PM »
And he works hard to create missions that will be a lot of fun for people.

Come help us out, Karaya.  Standing on the sidelines throwing tomatos provides some perspective, but we could use some real assistance.

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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2009, 10:24:33 PM »
I have YET to "throw tomatoes" in this thread.   Read my posts yourself.   I offered to help, "they" don't want it.   

So offer some help anyway.  Check out the thread on "Some ideas to discuss."

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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2009, 12:24:32 AM »
You're a 22 year old kid.   

And what does my age have to do with anything? That's right, absolutely nothing. You are just jealous that a 22 year old kid has done more for the AvA then you ever will.
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Re: Why so few people?
« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2009, 06:03:06 AM »
You on the other hand have done nothing to help the arena. Nine out of ten of your posts about the AvA revolve around you crying about some set of rules that don't exist.

I'll take exception to this part of that post since you insist on being a child. You were one of the folks who kept insisting that there was some sort of altitude limit in the AvA when I flew in there regularly a while back. You were part of the problem. Maybe you have since stopped doing that. I hope so. Because it keeps people out of the arena.

And you keep trying to say that I was the one causing the problem. It is a plain and simple attempt to deflect blame from yourself.

Just because you do volunteer work for the AvA it does not give you extra privileges of any sort. In fact, it demands a higher standard of behavior, not a lower standard.

I am disappointed that Oldman used your volunteer work in your defense. That does not bode well.

An arena that is trying to build a following needs ambassadors for the arena not prima donnas parading around trumpeting the sort of stuff you post on this forum and the sort of things I have personally seen you express in the arena.

Oldman seems to be backing you and your continued childish behavior. I understand he is grateful for the help but he is missing a major point. He would find lots of help that don't constantly parade a "Hey, look at me" sign if he made polite and positive behavior a pre-condition of being a part of the AvA team.

If I were the player running the AvA there would be no excuses for your behavior and would distance myself as far as possible from you unless you decided to become someone who worked for what was best for the AvA and the game instead of narrow self interest.

But it seems that your work in the arena excuses your behavior instead of making that work pointless. So I'm beginning to think I'm wasting my time here. I know with a certainty that if your behavior is acceptable as part of the AvA team then I could not and would not be part of that team.