B-17 Variants

[Baggy]

They're mingers without that tail fillet!

[morfiend]

Nice pix as usual Dan.

 Dan,when did the horizontal stab get it's extention fillet?
 Looks like after "C"  but I thought it was after "D" can you clear that up for me?

  Thx.   

 Meant verticle stab..... had a brain fart!

[Karnak]

 Meant verticle stab..... had a brain fart!

Notice that it isn't just an extension fillet.  They enlarged the fuselage in order to put in the tail gun and tail gun access.

[Guppy35]

The B17D was the last of the 'shark tails'.  The Swoose at the USAFM is the last surviving D model. E introduced the tail position, new vertical tail and tail guns.

[TOMCAT21]

bring in other variants of the 17 and slight perk to the G.. say 3-10 range...

[AWwrgwy]

bring in other variants of the 17 and slight perk to the G.. say 3-10 range...

Why perk it?


wrongway

[TOMCAT21]

dunno...only got 1 perked bomber i guess.. they perked the t34/85 slightly...

[Guppy35]

That would make little sense other then to put the G in the hanger as the F would be a bit faster, and the nose guns on the G just aren't that vital in the MA.  You'd still have lazer 50s in the nose of an E or F anyway.

Adding those variants would be purely for historical purposes in scenarios, snapshots or for skinning different birds. 

[TOMCAT21]

i can understand what you are saying Guppy..I guess for me personally , as a whole, I dont understand why we have certain versions of some aircraft while we have multiple versions of others...if that makes any sense..I do apologize if I shifted away from the main topic..

[Guppy35]

i can understand what you are saying Guppy..I guess for me personally , as a whole, I dont understand why we have certain versions of some aircraft while we have multiple versions of others...if that makes any sense..I do apologize if I shifted away from the main topic..

I'm all for more versions, just not perking the 17G.  HIstorically in the Pacific you'd have seen E's mixed with F's for a time in 42.  In the ETO and MTO you'd have seen mixed formations of F's and G's in late 43-early 44.  The skins possible would go up and the scenario historical accuracy would go up as well, which for us immersion fans is the only way to go. 

[Castle51]

Here is something I've been wondering about the B-17 in AH recently.  If you look up its specs (at least in wiki) it says its payload was 4000lbs long range and 8000lbs short range (Just about the same as the B-24).  Now pretty much anything in the MA could be considered short range so how does the B-24 get 8k while the B-17 only gets 6?

[oneway]

That would make little sense other then to put the G in the hanger as the F would be a bit faster, and the nose guns on the G just aren't that vital in the MA.  You'd still have lazer 50s in the nose of an E or F anyway.

Adding those variants would be purely for historical purposes in scenarios, snapshots or for skinning different birds. 

I completely disagree that the chin guns are not important or vital.

When I have some guy closing on my 6 at about 1200, I chop throttle completely...I can't count the number of times I have killed bad guys over shooting who think along the lines that the chin guns are basically irrelevant.

85% of the folks in MA have neither the patience or knowledge to properly take down bombers...nearly 100% of these guys will pull up slowly right in front of you on the over shoot exposing the entire top half of the aircraft to the nose guns...

I would enjoy trying the other variants for historical purpose, but I would choose the G every time in MA

1Way

[Guppy35]

I completely disagree that the chin guns are not important or vital.

When I have some guy closing on my 6 at about 1200, I chop throttle completely...I can't count the number of times I have killed bad guys over shooting who think along the lines that the chin guns are basically irrelevant.

85% of the folks in MA have neither the patience or knowledge to properly take down bombers...nearly 100% of these guys will pull up slowly right in front of you on the over shoot exposing the entire top half of the aircraft to the nose guns...

I would enjoy trying the other variants for historical purpose, but I would choose the G every time in MA

1Way

Don't speak too soon.  A faster B17F with twin nose guns, as many had, might tempt you away from the G

[Swatch]

The F is a better looking bird.  I'd fly her ALL the time for her speed and looks.

[Castle51]

Here is something I've been wondering about the B-17 in AH recently.  If you look up its specs (at least in wiki) it says its payload was 4000lbs long range and 8000lbs short range (Just about the same as the B-24).  Now pretty much anything in the MA could be considered short range so how does the B-24 get 8k while the B-17 only gets 6?

Uhh.... anybody?