Well, it's a real pity that this thread degenerated, because it was on the right track to become a good guide for pilots on how to deal with HOs and why it's absolutely NOT a good idea to start the fight with one of them. It's a real pity that one of the best posts I've ever read about this latter issue, Sloehand's one, has gone unnoticed... I suggest everybody to read that post again and remember it any time you set yourself up to start a fight!