Why not .....................................Ho

[Slate]

   OK I know we need another Ho thread like we need a Hole in the head but here I go anyway. This is meant for those who use the ho exclusively or find it thier only alternative.
   To me a Ho is like a Joust with the event being over in a few seconds. No real skill but getting your lance in position and hoping for the best. Flying 5 minutes to have a fight end in 2 seconds is not fun for anyone. If you don't learn maneuvering you will always be at the mercy of those on your six. 
   Dogfighting is more like a Boxing match with each fighter getting in position and dealing blows until one is overcome with damage.
   Imagine you just paid for a Pay per View fight and the fighters come out with a Baseball bats and the one that swings first knocks the other guy out. You would feel cheated. Would you admire the winners skill?
   So Avoid the Ho when possible and enjoy the true spirit of a Dogfighting Game as your best your opponents with your Intellect, Skill, Trickery, or just dumb luck. 

[Yeager]

what you guys are experiencing is very simple.  You put all your attention into this thing called the "Ho" because it frustrates you....but I tell you, its all about overcrowding.  In an arena with 60-80 people Ho'ing just is not a problem.  There is freedom of movement, freedom of maneover.  Put 250-350 peeps in a single arena, even a big one, and they all end up coagulating in central areas and the overcrowding leads to alot of "ho jousting" because there are simply too many of you.  It will never cease as long as the arenas are overcrowded.  Learn Ho, Live Ho, Love Ho.

Or......suggest that maybe HiTechs dream of a thousand people in a single arena would end up like so many rats in a box.  They end up eating each other alive.  Suggest we go back to a WBs era cap of 110-113 people per arena.  Then, just maybe, your lofty aspirations of "gameplay" would materialize.

[SEraider]

I usually don't HO, but I confess, I ho'd some dweeb the other day.  I feel soooooo guilty. 

[Slate]

 "Despite of my rage I'm still just a rat in a cage"
 
 I know the Ho won't end I'm just giving some a reason why not to. (plus if you put Ho in your post people will read it Shhhhhhhhhh!)

 Forgive me Hitech for I too have Ho'd

[druski85]

Isn't it despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage?     I'd probably have Billy Corgan's babies.

Anyway....

I'm sure you would get less head-on shots in a smaller arena,  but I have no idea how that would eliminate the problem.  Still plenty of HO's to be found when our current arenas are down in the 80-100 player range.  (come on at weird hours)  I do like the jousting comparison, but not so sure about the boxing one.  Float like a butterfly, sting like a -- oh wait I just got picked.

[Slate]

Isn't it despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage?     I'd probably have Billy Corgan's babies.

Anyway....

I'm sure you would get less head-on shots in a smaller arena,  but I have no idea how that would eliminate the problem.  Still plenty of HO's to be found when our current arenas are down in the 80-100 player range.  (come on at weird hours)  I do like the jousting comparison, but not so sure about the boxing one.  Float like a butterfly, sting like a -- oh wait I just got picked.

  You're probably right on those lyrics, I can't distinguish words in songs sometimes. 

[Lusche]

I fly both at prime as well as "weird" hours.

When the aren is full of people, I see a lot more "Ho's" that are in my opinion just FQ shots, instinctively pulling the trigger when someone in a furball more or less suddenly appears in front of you.

But genuine HO's, the real thing where 2 players face each other at a distance, put their gunsight on each other and just joust (the John Wayne Merge)- Those happen at off times with 30-100 players just as often as when the arena is crowded.

And yes, I hoed this morning.  Was up for some buff slaughter when unexpectedly a Yak-9U came in. He really went for the Ho, and started to fire from quite a distance. "Well, " I thought, "if hoing an A8 is what you really want..."

[stroker71]

Float like a butterfly, sting like a -- oh wait I just got picked.

Can I use that in my sig....that's funny stuff.  Funny cuz it's true...sad but true.  After reading alot in this BBS and other places there is alot of options in the HO situation.  If they come in for a true HO attack it usually makes them an easy target.  

[frosty]

--Originally posted this in other thread, but moving here--

The thing about HO-ing: it takes two.  If I pull off and the other guy snapshots me on the way by, it wasn't exactly a HO at that point.  OTOH, if I stay H2H with him and he shoots me in the face, I kind of have only myself to blame for taking the gamble that he wouldn't pull the trigger.  Yes the person would likely be lame for doing it (depends on the circumstances), but I'd be dumb for not expecting it.  I've had times where I waited and thought the guy was going to fly-by cleanly, only to see tracers pop at the very last second, at which point I feel stupid for not doing the same (if you fire at me going H2H and I have time to react, I will probably fire back...I'm spiteful that way).  Again, it takes two to setup a HO.

And of course, I've got enough personal ROE exceptions on this in my head to fill a phone book. 

E.G.:
-If I am in a 110 or similar and they go H2H with me under any circumstances, that's an HOin'.  Anyone should know better than this.
-If they are in a Stang, LA7 or Tempest and **repeatedly** disengage and flee every time I get on their six, only to come back when they think I have given up the chase, at some point I will say "fark it, that's a HOin'" if they present it, because they're just wasting my fuel (after a point).  I call this "The Allison Rule" (to honor the inspiration/cause for my instituting this policy).
-If they screw up their rope-a-dope and come down H2H with me, that's a HOin'.
-If I am defending a ridiculous mob, just got off the runway, and am at a major E disadvantage, that's a HO-HO-HOin' all day long if they are dumb enough to give me the shot.  I've got nothing to lose at that point...my plane is pretty disposable given that I've only been up for 30 seconds or so, where as I can make them spend 5-10 minutes returning to the battle.  The battle trade-off heavily favors me in that situation (and at that point I'm playing for battle strategy).

Related story:
Yesterday I listened to somebody get yelled at on VOX for "stealing" a countryman's kill (I observed the entire event from a couple K above).  Person A was chasing a field vulcher to the deck, when person B who just upped in his IL-2 saw the bogie coming right at him, turned into him, and rightfully HO'd the guy to oblivion.  Did the vulcher complain?  Nope.  But person A went completely bonkers.  But what was person B going to do?  Let the vulcher pick him?  I say no way...squash the bastard. 

[druski85]

Can I use that in my sig....that's funny stuff.  Funny cuz it's true...sad but true.  After reading alot in this BBS and other places there is alot of options in the HO situation.  If they come in for a true HO attack it usually makes them an easy target.  

Sure man, quote away if you like.   

[Bark0]

I HO (sometimes)

Why not? Did they HO in WWII? yup. is this a WWII Based game? Yup.

Do I complain about HO's? Nope.

[FireDrgn]

Ya they hoed in ww11  alot of good men died doing it to..

[Traveler]

what you guys are experiencing is very simple.  You put all your attention into this thing called the "Ho" because it frustrates you....but I tell you, its all about overcrowding.  In an arena with 60-80 people Ho'ing just is not a problem.  There is freedom of movement, freedom of maneover.  Put 250-350 peeps in a single arena, even a big one, and they all end up coagulating in central areas and the overcrowding leads to alot of "ho jousting" because there are simply too many of you.  It will never cease as long as the arenas are overcrowded.  Learn Ho, Live Ho, Love Ho.

Or......suggest that maybe HiTechs dream of a thousand people in a single arena would end up like so many rats in a box.  They end up eating each other alive.  Suggest we go back to a WBs era cap of 110-113 people per arena.  Then, just maybe, your lofty aspirations of "gameplay" would materialize.

I guess you have never flown in the early war arena or mid war arean.  lots of HO's in both and the numbers are the numbers you suggest for the perfect gamming experience.  People HO, why not.  Someone turns in at you and because your head on, you don't pull the trigger?  who you kidding?

[Steve]

--Originally posted this in other thread, but moving here--

The thing about HO-ing: it takes two. 

Wrong. It has always been two to merge, one to HO. You mat not change the definition.

If I pull off and the guy   snapshots me on the way by, it wasn't exactly a HO at that point

  Wrong again,   If you pull off the other guy to avoid a HO/collision and he fires... it's still a HO.

[frosty]

Wrong. It has always been two to merge, one to HO. You mat not change the definition.

You know what I meant.  You cannot get HO'd without putting yourself there.  If you go nose to nose with someone and don't expect that they may fire on you (however much you disagree with it) and don't know how to avoid it, you're foolish.

Wrong again,   If you pull off the other guy to avoid a HO/collision and he fires... it's still a HO.

No, it's not.  An HO is a head-on shot.  Hence "HO".  "Head On".  By strict definition you're wrong.  Unless you'd like to tell everyone at what angle you approve of as "not an HO" so everyone can take notes.  Unless you're talking about doing so at the very last second, in which case see the last point.