F4U-1C - Does the C stand for "Cursed"?

[rauchen]

I can fly the -1D but the -1C is keeling me.  Is the cockpit view different than the -1D? Is the handling that different from the -1D?  I thought they were almost the same except for the guns.  Maybe I just figure with 4 Hizookas and unlimited ammo I'm untouchable...

Any help on the -1C would be appreciated.  I'm trying to expand my horizons & try something besides the Dora.  Blasphemy, I know.

Thanks in advance,

Shmoken.

[trotter]

The C has marginally worse turn/weight ratio performance than the D. Emphasize marginally. Views are the same (it's the same airframe), engine is the same. I think the problem is that you are trying to fly it differently, because you are well are of the cannon potential. Pulling hard nose for a lot of unmakeable shots is a great way to lose you E and wind up wallowing. Really focus on flying it like a D, and you'll have no difficulties.

[DamnedRen]

I think both the C and D are about the same flight wise. They both have bomb/rocket rails that are fixed which incurs a little more parasitic drag than other models. I was up last week in a D model thinking I was flying a -1A (musta been the beer I had) . I noticed no appreciable flight characteristic difference in the planes. They both got kills the same way. Check yer gauges. Some might not be in the same place.

Speaking of gauges. Think fuel. 1/2 tank and DT's. Dump the tank before you fight and you'll still get enough kills and get home.

Don't be afraid of your flaps. Use em as necessary but only as necessary. You can also pop yer brakes. I normally pop em to begin a turn and pull em almost as fast as I popped em.

Hope this helps

Ren

[FYB]

If you're into F4U's, then i would suggest you join a squad, the VF-17 are great, they'll train you and help you to take the F4U's advantages, straight to the limits.

They have restrictions though, you should still go to the squadron section on the bottom and take a peek.

-FYB

[Saxman]

Depending on which country you fly check out VMF-251 as well. </shameless plug >

As has been said, there are some marginal differences between the 1C and 1D, but not so much that it should radically alter your flying style. I do find the Charlie to be somewhat less forgiving at low speeds.

I have to disagree with Ren on a couple points:

* Regarding fuel, take a full tank + 1 external for flights of at least a sector. The 1D, C and 4 have a limited endurance, especially in comparison to the 1 and 1A. The DT doesn't hurt as bad once you drop it since the pylons are permanently fix, but with the single fuel tank it's better to have too much just in case you're forced to engage early by a con halfway to your objective. If you get a fuel leak (which seems to nearly ALWAYS be the first thing damaged, especially in the -4  ) it also gives you a little more time to get to a good gliding altitude before your tank runs dry.

* You'll get a lot of different viewpoints on the landing gear, but IMO the only time to use them in combat is for dive-bombing or if you're entering a fight from high altitude to prevent overshooting a low target. They bleed E too quickly and regardless of how well she handles at low speeds, you really want to keep your speed up in large fights.

[A8TOOL]

The C has marginally worse turn/weight ratio performance than the D. Emphasize marginally. Views are the same (it's the same airframe), engine is the same. I think the problem is that you are trying to fly it differently, because you are well are of the cannon potential.

I don't know about you guys but I find the C far from just marginally worse than all the rest of the F4U's.

Maybe it's just my program but the C is much slower in a climb, turn rate performance and sluggish in general. Pull back on the stick to far and over she goes. Once she starts doing that snap roll thing it's hard to get her back on track. Lose to much E and it takes forever to climb back up.

The F4U-C used to be the best plane in the game way back when (AH1) but HTC has messed with it's flight characteristics many times over since.

I can fly the D with out a problem as well but as soon as I jump in a C everything changes.

[StokesAk]

Might just be that you aren't being agressive enough when you are fighting low and slow with it because of the 15 perks. Also the 20mm's might make it much more easy to stall, try not to pull back hard because that will cause you to flat stall. The 1C flat stalls eaiser in my experiance with it.

[Bosco123]

The C is a little bit worse than the D. It's heavier, becasue of the 4 cannons, and it's a little slower. It has a wider turn radius as well. What it makes up is in the cannons, only takes two or three rounds to acually kill somthing, and if your very conservitive, like I am, you can go on landing 10+ kills without even having to resupply.

What convergences are you set at?
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[comet61]

The C is the only perked fighter I have flown...with horrible results.    I am by no means a "good stick", but to me it handles "rough"; not to mention I rarely survive in it very long. I have better results in the D model and I have been successful mildly in the -1A.

SHawk is usually seen flying the C-Hog a great deal and does a lot of damage to the enemy. Perhaps he'll be inclined to give some pointers.....

[DamnedRen]

* Regarding fuel, take a full tank + 1 external for flights of at least a sector. The 1D, C and 4 have a limited endurance, especially in comparison to the 1 and 1A. The DT doesn't hurt as bad once you drop it since the pylons are permanently fix, but with the single fuel tank it's better to have too much just in case you're forced to engage early by a con halfway to your objective. If you get a fuel leak (which seems to nearly ALWAYS be the first thing damaged, especially in the -4  ) it also gives you a little more time to get to a good gliding altitude before your tank runs dry.

Good thought. However, I don't think I've ever run out of gas in a Hog. I can't remember the last time I took a hit on my fuel. For example, I got in a fight the other night with a 190 and got picked in the middle of it by a Forky. He took off my right flap but that was the extent of the damage. I finished with the 190 while someone else jumped in on the forked tail and that fight moved off. I drove home and landed.

I'm suggesting what works. No more. Everyone has to find their "right" load out. If you want more take it.

Ren
Aces High Training Corps

[FireDrgn]

You have to be smoother in the C...... Its a little less forgiving....It will make u a better d pilot if you have enough perks to fly it for a tour./

[mtnman]

Good thought. However, I don't think I've ever run out of gas in a Hog. I can't remember the last time I took a hit on my fuel. For example, I got in a fight the other night with a 190 and got picked in the middle of it by a Forky. He took off my right flap but that was the extent of the damage. I finished with the 190 while someone else jumped in on the forked tail and that fight moved off. I drove home and landed.

I'm suggesting what works. No more. Everyone has to find their "right" load out. If you want more take it.

Ren
Aces High Training Corps

I'm also one of those who takes 100% fuel on every trip in the -1A, and 100% plus a drop tank when I fly the -1C, -1D, or -4.  I always run out of fuel before I run out of ammo, and find the fuel to be my most limiting factor.  If I'm lifting from a capped field i may drop down to 75%, but that's rare.

Learning to fly/fight with less fuel is easier though, especially if you find you die pretty often, and don't need all of your fuel anyway... 

Different strokes for different folks...

[texastc316]

I fly the 1A mostly. I fly the C some and and the D for ords. I've found, for me anyway, I have to keep the C faster than the A. I can't get as dirty and slow with the C as I can with the A. granted I fly the A a lot more.  normally fly 75-100% in the A, and 100% with DT in the C and U4.

[whiteman]

only big difference I've noticed between the -1D and -1C is that you will get a line of people that want the points for shooting down a -1C. The -1D I just blend in with the other 15 eny planes. Of the group the -1A is my favorite.

[Jenks]

only big difference I've noticed between the -1D and -1C is that you will get a line of people that want the points for shooting down a -1C. The -1D I just blend in with the other 15 eny planes. Of the group the -1A is my favorite.

A lot of truth to that! Especially if Shawk has been in the area with a Chog. They go after every one of them they see.

I fly the -1A the most.  Mostly with only 75 or 50 percent fuel. My hit % isn't near as good as Mtnman's so I'm the opposite of him. I'm usually outta bullets before gas. 

I do usually take more gas in the Chog, so that and the weight of the cannons may explain the handling difference that I feel.

But the biggest difference to me is the ammo ballistics. It takes me some time to adapt to the cannons when I take a -1C.

In a -1A, I saddle up more and do not go for snapshots as much. In the -1C I seem to miss a saddle shot easier, but the snaps are much better.