Wasserfall anti buff rocket

[Nemisis]

I think it would be kinda nice to be able to fire off a rocket that will knock down a buff at a range that will be enough to make it effective but not so far as to make people stop flying bombers. I don't know the ranges or the specs, only that the Germans had that one right the first time; they did not have to change the concept, do a complete overhaul, or have to scrap the project because I was a bad idea. I personly fly bombers a lot, and some fighter, and even though it would increace my casualty rate I still think it would be a good idea. Once when radar was down and most of the people in my area were gearing up for an attack a lank came came and jumped us. Someone spoted him...5k from the base. We scrambled fighters but he still downed our hangers. If we had had the wasserfall our attack would have captured around five or six bases. I know it would have some teething problems but still I think it would be a good idea.

[Pannono]

I dont believe HiTech will ever put SAMs into AH. Also, I dont think Wassers saw enough action to be included in AH.

[Motherland]

I'd rather not have German super-weapons in game.

I would like, however, R4M's on my 262.

[Lusche]

Also, I dont think Wassers saw enough action to be included in AH.

"Not enough action" is an euphemism. It actually was.. none.

[Nemisis]

Motherland, I could almost tell you would say that. And you wouldn't be the one in the 262 that keeps shooting me down would it? If so you and I will have a dule in hiroshima Japan on august 6 1945, starting at 6am lasting untill you fry....I mean until 9am, ya thats what I said. pay no attention to the manhatten project roster. that is a forgery. and Lusche, it did see some action, but Pannono is probably right I would sooner bet on the Pe-8 or what ever the heck it was.

[Lusche]

Motherland, I could almost tell you would say that. And you wouldn't be the one in the 262 that keeps shooting me down would it? If so you and I will have a dule in hiroshima Japan on august 6 1945, starting at 6am lasting untill you fry....I mean until 9am, ya thats what I said. pay no attention to the manhatten project roster. that is a forgery. and Lusche, it did see some action, but Pannono is probably right I would sooner bet on the Pe-8 or what ever the heck it was.

It did see NO action. Only about 40 missile test launches. Development was stopped in Feb 1945.

[Motherland]

Motherland, I could almost tell you would say that. And you wouldn't be the one in the 262 that keeps shooting me down would it?

Actually, I can't remember the last time I flew the 262. I'd probably fly it more if it had R4M's

[USCH]

+1 on the R4m on the 262 

[Pannono]

How much was the performance affected on that 262 with the rockets?

[Krusty]

Similar rack to the 190F-8's PB rockets, but lower profile... I'd guess (not certain) 10-15mph.

But for a 262? Probably still faster than any other plane in the game, even with the drag from those rockets.


P.S. I would love R4Ms if modeled correctly!

[Motherland]

I don't have any hard numbers, however I don't think it would be too damaging to the 262's performance. The rockets and mounts would seem to have had a minuscule amount of drag compared to the WGr 21, and to my knowledge (which isn't exactly expansive on the subject I will admit), they seemed to be rather effective, so I would not hesitate to take them every sortie if they were put in game.

The PB1's had larger warheads but the 262 carried 24 R4M's (as opposed to 12), so I guess it would have slightly more of a performance hit than the 190F's PB1 racks.

[LLogann]

Only problem is we don't fly that model 262. 

+1 on the R4m on the 262 

And that photo of the rockets.........  Those aren't where the rockets went..... That looks like a field conversion.

[Lusche]

And that photo of the rockets.........  Those aren't where the rockets went..... That looks like a field conversion.

Would you enlighten us where the rockets went?

[LLogann]

I have a photo somewhere of the A-1a/R-1 showing 5 and 5 under the fuselage, not the wings.   Gotta find it.  But with that said, Lusche, if you say that is a A-1a/R-1..... I will believe you.

Would you enlighten us where the rockets went?

ADDITION:

Called my uncle to ask him as it's his photo taken during the war..........  He is slightly nuts nowadays, but tells me his photo is an E2 with an added conversion under the fuselage where the bomb clasps would be, to add "extra" R4M's.  The E model had 48 rockets, why would anybody need more? LOL

Ist das möglich?

[Lusche]

I have a photo somewhere of the A-1a/R-1 showing 5 and 5 under the fuselage, not the wings.   Gotta find it.  But with that said, Lusche, if you say that is a A-1a/R-1..... I will believe you.

You should find it, I really would like to see that picture.

You are basically right in one thing: What we see in the pictures above was basically a field modification - because almost all 262's carrying the R4M were indeed equipped with them not by factory default but in the field. The racks from which the rockets launched were very simple wooden constructions, often build by small & midsize carpentry workshops. They were then send to the units. 

And that's what the the "R" in A-1a/R-1 is indicating. "R" is the abbreviation for "Rüstsatz" = "kit". A 262 A-1a would become a A-1s/R1 by simply installing the racks to the wings (and do some wiring). It's not a different production version.