New Razorback P-47 questions:

[Animal]

Hi,
Nice looking model. Very ugly plane  

anyways, I was wondering, is there a big performance difference between the new Jug and the ones we have? I know its lighter, but is there a big performance difference, or just more of the same thing?

Is it gonna have a special role in Aces High that will enhance my gameplay? or will it just make the same difference the -25 makes from the -30?

Anyways, whats the purpose of this plane, other than stop the whinning P-47 guys

[flakbait]

The Razorback is a P-47D-20RE, just a different block variant. It has a longer tail wheel than earlier P-47's (B and C models), uses an R-2800-59 engine (2,300hp w/WEP), and has the "universal" wing. This wing was fitted starting with the D-20-RE production block and continued through the end of production. Joe Baugher has a lot of info on his site here:
 http://home.att.net/jbaugher1/p47.html

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[Daff]

Flakbait, according to the serial # on the tail, it's a D-11, not D-20.

Daff

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[Animal]

Yeah thats some very nice info and I'm sure its very good, but, still how does it perform compared to the P-47s we already have? is there a big difference?

How will it contribute to the planeset?

Anyways, I think its very nice we are getting a variation of a plane, its just that I'm curious.

anyways, I would have hoped for a variation of the P-38  

we only have one.

[Tac]

P-38D baby!

One more Q: does the razorback jug carry less ammo than the later models? Less guns?

[juzz]

Don't think so. And I don't think the P-38D ever saw any combat either.  

[Sancho]

The D-11-RE used a Pratt & Whitney R-2800-63 with GE Type C-23 turbosupercharger and water injection system.  Bodie's book says it produced 2000 HP @ 2700 rpm under WEP, but has a footnote that it may have been 2300 HP (maybe with water injection?).  The weight of this jug is about the same empty as the D-25, but fully loaded it is about 1100 lbs lighter.  This is because this jug doesn't have bomb mount points on the wings.  The D-11 carries the same exact same 8 gun ammo load for the guns--unlike the B stang which loses guns and ammo in it's "razorback" config.  

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Speed of the D-11 will be essentially the same as the 2 current jugs.  The D-11 is a bit lighter and should turn slightly better.  Also, the razorback dorsal surface gave this jug better stability through turns--stability the jug lost when it went to bubbletop design.  The razorback should be a more stable gun platform.

So nothing shocking here, but I believe this plane will make a better dogfighter than the previously modeled jugs.  There is no purpose for adding this plane other than stopping my whining.  

[-ammo-]

 

Originally posted by Tac:

One more Q: does the razorback jug carry less ammo than the later models? Less guns?

No sir, same loadout. However earlier models weren't equiped readily for Air to Mud duty.

[Animal]

Contratulations Sancho!  

And I am sorry Frenchy didnt get the one he wanted
Thats what he get for being so queer

[Daff]

The main weight difference is not due to bombmounting provisions, but fuelload, with the D-25 having some 70 gallons more fuel capacity.
The Razorback have belly shackles for either a 500lbs bomb or up to 200 gallon droptank.
According to "From Seversky to Republic" the D-11 did have water injection, giving it 2300HP.

Daff

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[Tac]

"Don't think so. And I don't think the P-38D ever saw any combat either"

Wrong.

"The P-38 D was the first variant of a P-38 to be considered combat capable. It contained an upgraded armor plate in the cockpit, armored glass behind the pilot, self-sealing fuel tanks, and a low pressure oxygen system. Two combat units were formed (The 1st Pursuit Group at Selfridge Field, Michigan and the 14th Pursuit Group at Hamilton Field, California). The P-38 D was the first American aircraft to score a kill against the Luftwaffe on August 14, 1942 by Elza Shahan against a FW-200 bomber."
 http://www.p-38online.com/optp38s.html

37mm cannon.. *drool*

But lets not get off topic eh?  

So this new jug should be better at Air to Air? Cripes, I hope that reduced visibility gives Drex and Frenchy a handicap    

[brady]

 Man this is funny not only do we get YET another US unit, it is virtually Identical to the ones we have performance wise.. wait the view out the back sucks even more than the current ones....FOR the love of god why do they keep adding more US stuff???, O wait because the customer wants it...........ahhhhhh

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[juzz]

Hmmm...

   

By August 1942, 81 P-38Fs of four of the six squadrons of the 1st and 14th Fighter Groups had arrived in Great Britain to complete the first transatlantic crossing by single-seat fighters. Two other Lightning squadrons (the 27th and the 50th) were held over in Iceland to assist the Curtiss P-40Cs of the 33rd Fighter Squadron in the flying of defensive patrols over the Atlantic. On August 14, 1942, a P-38F flown by 2nd Lieut Elza Shaham shared with a P-40C in the destruction of a Focke- Wulf FW-200C-3 to obtain the first victory over a Luftwaffe aircraft.

   

Changes were taking place at such a rapid rate that even the changes introduced on the P-38D did not really make it combat-ready. In 1942, the P-38 was redesignated RP-38 and the P-38D was redesignated RP-38D, the 'R' prefix meaning 'restricted to non-combat roles'. They were used strictly as combat trainers.

P-38s, RP-38s, and some P-38Ds from Selfridge Field were active participants in the September 1941 Army-Navy joint maneuvers in Louisiana, but few of the actually had any guns installed. By the time of Pearl Harbor, there were only 69 P-38 and P-38D fighters on strength.

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p38.html

Yeah brady, when we could have another version of Fw 190 or Me 109 instead!


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[brady]

 At least the German variants seam to have more difference between them performance wise, at least most of them (F8/A8 would be an exception).

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[Lephturn]

The Jug was one of the most produced planes in the war.  It makes sense that we have a few variants of it.  Now where's that 47M or N?  

Guys, it sounds like we are getting both of these planes to help the CM crew fill out the plane set for scenarios.  That is a great reason to add new planes.  The HTC crew is adding planes at an AMAZING rate, so IMHO we have nothing to complain about.  Your favourite will be included pretty soon Im' sure.    Also remember that we haven't seen all of what's coming in 1.07 yet.

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