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Offline Sancho

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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2001, 09:40:00 AM »
Sure the game could definitely use a few more new planes from other countries than the US.  But variants of planes already in the game can be cranked out faster than completely new planes... there isn't as much modelling to do on the actual plane model or the flight model.  Having a bunch of variants for scenario and even arena use is as Leph said, a good thing.

I take it you won't be flying the -D-11 Brady??  

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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2001, 10:20:00 AM »
Lephturn, while I'll agree that the P-47 deserves several varients given its importance, and production numbers.

Please try and explain to me WHY we need THREE different D model varients that fly so similarly that if you switched the FM's around between them in a blind test, 99.5% of the Aces High population couldn't tell the difference?

I wouldn't have made a peep if we got the M or N series, and if it was thought we needed an earlier P-47 why didn't we get a B or C ? Why oh Why another D series I can't figure out.

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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2001, 11:24:00 AM »
1. We get gaudy P-47D-30 from a little-known unit, causing much noise from the 56th FG guys...
2. We get a Brazilian D-25, little is known about the "arrangements" those South Americans made with HTC to swing it, though...
3. We get a D-11 "razorback", the classic Jug shape, with Gabby's paint to shut the 56th FG guys the hell up, but it doesn't work. They want a red nose. The OD is a suspect shade, etc...

 

Btw, the P-47B wasn't used in combat. And the P-47C is practically the same as the D-11, only minus water injection which was probably retro-fitted anyway.

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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2001, 11:39:00 AM »
 
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37mm cannon.. *drool*



Didn't it only carry like 15 rounds of 37mm ammo?


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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »
What Juzz said.  

I will fly the D11.  I want a classic Jug, one with a historical paint scheme I can identify with, and Gabby's certainly is one of 'em.  This is an A2A Jug and a Razorback, none of that crappy A2G pylon stuff in the way.  As to why?  How about because it was not likely a whole lot of extra work?  Minimal FM changes, and a birdcage instead of a bubble top, so not a whole lot of art work changes needed either.  The Jug variants are likely some of the easiest ones for HTC to do, and that may play a role in it.  They know there are lots of folks who will love this bird in AH, so if they can do it for minimal work, why not?

And... who says we are not getting the M or the N?  We'll have to wait and see.    I think the D-11 is a better choice than the old C model, more representative and a bit more competitive to boot.  Maybe somebody at HTC liked it.    Who knows why Verm, but I don't think it's right to second guess HTC's decisions on what they spend their time on.  There are lots of reasons we don't know about that influence those decisions, so second guessing them is pretty pointless.

I'm just thankfull for what we do get.  

When 1.07 comes out, I'm going to love flying this D11 vs. 109's of the period and early model 190 A's.  Heck, the D11 is quite representative of the 9th AF Jugs in the pacific as well.  I think it's a great Jug that will be used in many scenarios, and I'm glad they took the time to model it.  

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2001, 05:11:00 PM »
Lephturn, Of coure I have a right to question why. Just like any other player has a right to say "Huh?" when it comes to the game we play. Of course I don't have a right to get my question answered, or a decision changed, but I can certainly ask the question "why".

I guess, I am making statements, based upon some knowledge that isn't generally available in the community. So I best just shut up.

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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2001, 05:14:00 PM »
 
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So I best just shut up.


Amen Sir

Juzz said..
We get a D-11 "razorback", the classic Jug shape, with Gabby's paint to shut the 56th FG guys the hell up, but it doesn't work. They want a red nose. The OD is a suspect shade, etc...  

Please follow verms advice

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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2001, 12:11:00 AM »
 
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1. We get gaudy P-47D-30 from a little-known unit, causing much noise from the 56th FG guys...
2. We get a Brazilian D-25, little is known about the "arrangements" those South Americans made with HTC to swing it, though...
3. We get a D-11 "razorback", the classic Jug shape, with Gabby's paint to shut the 56th FG guys the hell up, but it doesn't work. They want a red nose. The OD is a suspect shade, etc...

 

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I'm talking for my name, i don't know for others.
You guys have to understand that I am a fanatic, not just the regular buff lover. I'm not sure that anyone flew the P47 for more than 90% of the time since his release in 1.03...( especially the 1.04 flight model transition).
I'm a fanatic of Gabby's late camo, bubble top, inv stripes, red nose, red tail. Anything else on a jug for me is "not worth it" compared to this.

It's maybe like when you see your favorite car with those wheels, this wing, this color. Anyone having the same car but with red flames paintjob and a modified hood, you may think :"what a shame".

When the D30 whent out, I was choked by the paint job, sure it was historical but it's far from the usual colored nose, with or without checkers. But I had a bubble top, Pyro said that the M would be having 56th markings (hey, can't have anything else anyway hehehe).

When the D25 went out, I was crying. As you know, my favorite jug is Gabby's one, who was a D25. It was Brazilians colors, a great unit but not really the dream plane I was waiting for. But it was a nice gesture from Pyro to the Brazilian pilots, cheered me up a bit. (But on those Brazilians who requested it, how many flew it consistantly?).

Finally we have the D11. So now people say:"there goes your 56th, shut up". Not really, and that's still the fan aspect who pops out, that's maybe why you guys can't understand. It may be Gabby's P47 and one from the 56th, but it looks like most of the P47s from this time period, just painted with a white nose to avoid confusion with the FW190s. So do we have the feeling that it's a 56th P47? Not really.
That's why we said "prefered with a red nose". And on a personal note, it's Gabby's P47, so it means for me that I will never see "my Gabby late war camo", the one I shake everytime I see a picture.

But I still have some hope, the P47M is yet do come. It will have a red nose, if I'm lucky enought, he will be close of Gabby's camo (dark grey with green zebra's plus inv stripes). it will probably be a perk too, but I don't care, I will be sooooo happy to fly it around. I will look at the videos over and over
I just hope Pyro will not elect the blue/dark blue camo of some planes of the 63rdFS, as it's one of my least favorite from the whole P47 paintjob set.

Juzz, Vermillon ... You guys probably think I should get my injection and bring back to quarantine, but ... hey ... we all strongly believe in something. I always understood people requesting such or such camo for they favorite plane, because I feel the same.

(on a side note, looks like that the P47 comunauty is the most demanding/loud)

 
Dat jugs bro.

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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2001, 02:54:00 AM »
Give him his damn Gabby camo painting as a 10-Points perk only him can use so we can shut him up already  

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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2001, 04:58:00 AM »
well I will say this, I am "pickeled" tink over the D-11, completely satisfied, no complaints and understand frenchy. I think it an honor that HTC modeled any P-47 after the 56th FG colors and I will fly it...much Even when the P-47M comes out..the D-11 will be my mainstay ride. Someone right that down somewhere and show it to me next year.

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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2001, 06:59:00 AM »
Frenchy, I think your prescription for Prozac has been filled at the pharmacy.  



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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2001, 07:09:00 AM »
Ok, now I'm not sure who is worse... the Luftwobbles who want 37 different Bf109 varients, and 23 Fw190 varients, or all you P47 fanatics.

Jeez  

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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2001, 09:11:00 AM »
Hehe.

BTW Verm, I agree you have every right to question HTC's decisions.  I just said it was pointless to do so.  I think you pretty much agreed with that.  

In the mean time, I'm REALLY going to enjoy flying the D11.  



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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2001, 10:40:00 AM »
 
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Give him his damn Gabby camo painting as a 10-Points perk only him can use so we can shut him up already  

Oh oh... I can ear it from here :"THAT"S FRENCHY!!! LET'S BANG HIM!!!"
But I don't care, whatever it takes to fly it      
Animal, if you go down in FL, I will fly you around for being "nice and understanding to the 56th cause"  

Vermillon, wait for the Spitfire Saga to start, and you will regret the P47s fanatics  

Sancho, here is what happens when I'm under Prozac : http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/009309.html
Dat jugs bro.

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