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Offline Hoarach

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Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« on: May 20, 2009, 08:10:54 PM »
See Rule #14
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Offline Pannono

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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2009, 08:20:38 PM »
We don't need it. F-15 will still kill everything out there
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2009, 08:29:46 PM »
I still say get the Propjobs out of mothballs. Flying hairdryers are overrated and too expensive.
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2009, 08:54:54 PM »
Quote from: Hoarach on May 20, 2009, 08:10:54 PM
See Rule #14.

 :( and right now we have only 122.

Quote from: Pannono on May 20, 2009, 08:20:38 PM
We don't need it. F-15 will still kill everything out there

F-15E is not made for air superiority, and F-15Cs are old are literally falling apart.
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2009, 09:15:36 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on May 20, 2009, 08:54:54 PM
:( and right now we have only 122.

F-15E is not made for air superiority, and F-15Cs are old are literally falling apart.

Really don't need traditional "air superiority".  Strike is the new air superiority.  Can't take off in planes the F-15E already blew up before you knew what was going on.
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 09:21:31 PM »
Quote from: slyguy on May 20, 2009, 09:15:36 PM
Really don't need traditional "air superiority".  Strike is the new air superiority.  Can't take off in planes the F-15E already blew up before you knew what was going on.

then we might as well make B-52 the main air superiority fighter
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 09:24:52 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on May 20, 2009, 09:21:31 PM
then we might as well make B-52 the main air superiority fighter
LOL can you imagine that?
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2009, 09:25:05 PM »
Quote from: Treize69 on May 20, 2009, 08:29:46 PM
I still say get the Propjobs out of mothballs. Flying hairdryers are overrated and too expensive.

You know, not to go in a different direction, but I wonder how some older prop jobs and early jets in straight turn-fight with guns only..
I talking taking any radar or advanced avionics out the equation..  Airplane to Airplane..  I know it's weird...But I've always wondered...
Can F-18's or F-16's turn with the likes of a Spitfire or a Mustang?  How would a Jug to against an A-10?  Obviously the Jug would fall apart if hit
by the A-10 if it got hit at all..  Stupid questions...  Please forgive..... :pray
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2009, 09:32:17 PM »
Quote from: Pannono on May 20, 2009, 09:24:52 PM
LOL can you imagine that?
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Wow.....I can only imagine......  It'd be like a B1R except bigger, slower, and almost certain death....
Still pretty cool though! :rock
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Offline Banshee7

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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2009, 09:33:16 PM »
Bring back the Tomcat!
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Offline MachFly

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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2009, 09:34:53 PM »
Quote from: Anodizer on May 20, 2009, 09:25:05 PM
You know, not to go in a different direction, but I wonder how some older prop jobs and early jets in straight turn-fight with guns only..
I talking taking any radar or advanced avionics out the equation..  Airplane to Airplane..  I know it's weird...But I've always wondered...
Can F-18's or F-16's turn with the likes of a Spitfire or a Mustang?  How would a Jug to against an A-10?  Obviously the Jug would fall apart if hit
by the A-10 if it got hit at all..  Stupid questions...  Please forgive..... :pray

10,000ft would be a safe altitude for an F-16 to do a Spit-S (however if you have alot guts and do it at really slow speed you might be able to pull it of at 3,000ft)
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2009, 10:09:28 PM »


That should have won  :)
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2009, 10:30:43 PM »
Quote from: SuBWaYCH on May 20, 2009, 10:09:28 PM
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That should have won  :)

The F23 did win.... Only cost prohibited production.  Otherwise, it was better in maneuver capability, weapons load, and time on target.  They couldn't get the per unit cost down low enough.

We'd only have 75 if the F-23 had won.

As for the F-15 still king of the skies....  I think you need to think with your head, and not your flag waving heart.  They replaced it for a reason.... A generation 4.5 fighter will wipe the floor with F-15's, and they've proven that in Flag exercises for the past 5 or 6 years.
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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2009, 10:38:27 PM »
Quote from: Pannono on May 20, 2009, 08:20:38 PM
We don't need it. F-15 will still kill everything out there

Except that F-15 production will halt soon and most of the F-15Cs are older than you are, and are literally falling apart in flight.  Take off the draggy conformal fuel tanks and an F-15E with -229 motors will outperform an F-15C, but that ignores the point that an F-15 can not survive in a modern air defense system.  Hell, the latest sam systems will shoot BOMBS out of the sky at the same time they engage the strike aircraft.

As for the F-35, all I can say is that they better kill everything on the way in because they are not stealthy from the rear and the latest triple-digit SAMS can pick them off as they run away, after shooting down the 2 bombs the F-35 is capable of carrying.

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Re: Looks like the f22 production really is stopping
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2009, 11:08:35 PM »
They were on the right track with the F-15 ACTIVE. Canards, thrust vectoring, and STOL capabilities.
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