What model 109?

[lyric1]

Found these pictures of this 109 I cant tell what model it is. Any one know?

 

[Motherland]

I would say G-10.
Oil cooler looks deeper than that of the G-6/AS or G-14/AS and the tailwheel is too short to be a K-4.

[Anaxogoras]

I'm going with bubi on this one.  As he says, the deep oil cooler is typical of the DB 605D.  Also, K-4 wouldn't have the mast behind the cockpit.

Keep in mind, however, some /AS 14s got the deeper oil cooler, but only a small number of them.

Edit:  Notice the arrow pointing to the underside of the nose?  If that arrow is indicating the "chin" bulges then it's even more likely it's a G-10.

[Treize69]

I'd say G-10 or an odd-looking G-14 too, with those fat tires and smooth hub.

[oakranger]

You guys are really good at I.D. variants of 109s.  When i look at it, i don't know what to look for, I just see a 109.  it is better than most people who may just call it a A/C.

[Motherland]

You guys are really good at I.D. variants of 109s.  When i look at it, i don't know what to look for, I just see a 109.  it is better than most people who may just call it a A/C.

It's pretty tough with the later models. At first glance I look at the engine cowling, so it could have been a G-5/AS, G-6/AS, G-14/AS, G-10 or G-10/AS, or a K-4. It couldn't have been a G-5/AS because the G-5 never carried the Erla hood (the G-5 had a pressurized cockpit). It couldn't have been a K-4 because of the tail wheel.
Past that, it still could have been a G-6, -14, -10/AS or a G-10. I had to refer to my book on the 109 series (An Illustrated Study of the Messerschmitt Bf 109 F, G and K Series by Jochen Prien and Peter Rodeike- Great book). Luckily, this was a G-10, as evidenced by the Fo-987 oil cooler and the bulges in front of the exhaust stacks, indicating that it was equipped with a DB605D engine. It would have been much more difficult to distinguish had it been a G-10/AS, since it would have been largely similar to the G-6/AS or G-14/AS.
This seems to have been a G-10 converted from a G-6, as it looks like it has the teardrop shaped fairings for the landing gear on the wings, first used in the G-4, as opposed to those introduced on the G-14. It's hard to tell from those angles, though.

[oakranger]

Well, from the looks of it, it seems that the 109 has a wide range if diversity in it.  Most of any WWII A/C or maybe as much as P-47.   

[Serenity]

It's pretty tough with the later models. At first glance I look at the engine cowling, so it could have been a G-5/AS, G-6/AS, G-14/AS, G-10 or G-10/AS, or a K-4. It couldn't have been a G-5/AS because the G-5 never carried the Erla hood (the G-5 had a pressurized cockpit). It couldn't have been a K-4 because of the tail wheel.
Past that, it still could have been a G-6, -14, -10/AS or a G-10. I had to refer to my book on the 109 series (An Illustrated Study of the Messerschmitt Bf 109 F, G and K Series by Jochen Prien and Peter Rodeike- Great book). Luckily, this was a G-10, as evidenced by the Fo-987 oil cooler and the bulges in front of the exhaust stacks, indicating that it was equipped with a DB605D engine. It would have been much more difficult to distinguish had it been a G-10/AS, since it would have been largely similar to the G-6/AS or G-14/AS.
This seems to have been a G-10 converted from a G-6, as it looks like it has the teardrop shaped fairings for the landing gear on the wings, first used in the G-4, as opposed to those introduced on the G-14. It's hard to tell from those angles, though.

Could you give me a visual comparison of an Erla hood and a non-erla hood? I have been trying to find some good visual example for ages, and I have never found anything I could really identify.

[Xasthur]

Could you give me a visual comparison of an Erla hood and a non-erla hood? I have been trying to find some good visual example for ages, and I have never found anything I could really identify.

Erla = no vertical bars/sliding window.

Pre-erla = vertical bars/sliding window.

In AH, the K4 canopy is the Erla, the G2 is not.

Usually used in conjuction with the high-vis head armour. IIRC.

Erla haub:


Early canopy:

[Xasthur]

As you can see, the Erla haub turns the canopy in a two-piece system, whereas before it was a forward fixed section, middle opening section, and aft fixed section.

[Serenity]

Wow, that's exactly what I needed! Thank you very much!

[Guppy35]

Identified as a 109K-6 in one of the 109 books I have.  Captured and evaluated by the USAAF.

[lyric1]

Captured and evaluated by the USAAF.

Well that would explain the numbers on the fuselage.

[oakranger]

Identified as a 109K-6 in one of the 109 books I have.  Captured and evaluated by the USAAF.

Exactly how many species of 109 are there.  Give me the list.

[Pannono]

I would say G-10.
Oil cooler looks deeper than that of the G-6/AS or G-14/AS and the tailwheel is too short to be a K-4.

How do you do it? lol