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Offline Die Hard

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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #120 on: June 01, 2009, 04:04:53 PM »
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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #121 on: June 01, 2009, 04:31:08 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on June 01, 2009, 03:51:45 PM
But they saw squadron service.  Please show that the Ki-84-Ic did as well.  Nothing I have ever found supports that.

Show that the "C" didn't.

Nothing I have found discounts it.

I have been looking at KI-84 versions on-line for quite a while and have found NOTHING to support your claims.

The only web page that lists ANY kind of production numbers on the B or the C is the one that Diehard has posted, and those numbers may be bogus, who knows?

Nowhere is it to be found that the C did not see any action.

In fact from everything I've read, quite the opposite is infered.

"Less than 10".

NEVER saw service?

Those seem to be pretty concrete statements, where did THAT info come from?
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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #122 on: June 01, 2009, 04:37:41 PM »
Unless you can prove it saw service (i.e. which sentais it served with) you are out of luck.

Keep in mind, I am pro-Ki-84.  I was a major advocator for it being added to AH.  I am not saying this because I don't like the idea of the Ki-84-Ic, I am saying it because I do not believe that it meets the criteria for AH.

The Ki-84-Ib does meet the criteria and should, in my opinion, be added.
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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #123 on: June 01, 2009, 04:57:59 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on June 01, 2009, 04:37:41 PM
Unless you can prove it saw service (i.e. which sentais it served with) you are out of luck.

Keep in mind, I am pro-Ki-84.  I was a major advocator for it being added to AH.  I am not saying this because I don't like the idea of the Ki-84-Ic, I am saying it because I do not believe that it meets the criteria for AH.

The Ki-84-Ib does meet the criteria and should, in my opinion, be added.

I doubt that you will even find which "Sentais" the B series flew with.

Most articles I've read don't seem to specify different versions.

And I hope I wasn't coming off like I was pizzed off at you or anything. I wasn't.

I was however holdin you arse to fire on the "less than 10" and "Never" statements. Lol.

I have to admit (and so do you) that info on production and dispersion numbers are albet impossible to find.

And if you ever do come across info that backs up your statements, Id love to see it.  :salute



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« Reply #124 on: June 01, 2009, 05:09:15 PM »
Leszek A. Wieliczko's Ki-84 book (ISBN: 83-89088-76-2) states the following about the KI-84c:

"Even more heavily armed was another version designated Yon-Shiki Sentoki Hei-Gata, i.e. Army Type 4 Fighter Model C, or Ki-84 Hei (KI-84c). This time the Ho-5 cannons were retained in the fuselage (like on the Ki-84 Otsu), whereas the wing-mounted cannons were to be replaced by new 30-mm Ho-155 II cannons (sometimes incorrectly referred to as Ho-105 or Ho-115). In fact, the Ho-155s were usually not mounted, as their development never reached a stage allowing quantity production. Reportedly, there were several cases of only one Ho-155 II mounted in the starboard wing, but there are no photographs to support this claim. (Some books contain a photograph captioned "Ki-84 Hei" but it was infact a Ki-84 Ko no. T2-302 captured and tested after the war by the Americans; the mistake results from the fact that the aircraft had long and thick fairings of the wing-mounted cannons, which implies weapons of a much greater calibre.) The Ki-84 Hei practically remained an experimental machine."

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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #125 on: June 01, 2009, 05:53:05 PM »
Quote from: 1Boner on June 01, 2009, 04:57:59 PM
I doubt that you will even find which "Sentais" the B series flew with.

Most articles I've read don't seem to specify different versions.

And I hope I wasn't coming off like I was pizzed off at you or anything. I wasn't.

I was however holdin you arse to fire on the "less than 10" and "Never" statements. Lol.

I have to admit (and so do you) that info on production and dispersion numbers are albet impossible to find.

And if you ever do come across info that backs up your statements, Id love to see it.  :salute




The Japanese language records on these things seem to be much more detailed than what we can get in English.  I am not certain that we couldn't ID at least some of the sentais that had the Ki-84-I-Otsu.
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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #126 on: June 01, 2009, 06:22:40 PM »
A Ki-100 would also be a nice addition.
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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #127 on: June 01, 2009, 06:33:25 PM »
Quote from: StokesAk on June 01, 2009, 06:22:40 PM
A Ki-100 would also be a nice addition.

I'd really rather have more of the early war planes first.
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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #128 on: June 01, 2009, 06:41:11 PM »
Quote from: PFactorDave on June 01, 2009, 06:33:25 PM
I'd really rather have more of the early war planes first.

The Ki-100 was little more than a 1942 design.... It was obsolete when first built.



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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #129 on: June 01, 2009, 06:56:36 PM »
Quote from: StokesAk on June 01, 2009, 06:22:40 PM
A Ki-100 would also be a nice addition.
Why?  Its one claim to fame in Japanese service is erased in AH and without that it is nothing more than a Ki-61-I in performance.

If you want to plug a hole, ask for the Ki-43.  If you want a good Japanese fighter, ask for the Ki-44 or J2M3.
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Offline Die Hard

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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #130 on: June 01, 2009, 07:01:20 PM »
Looks a lot better though...



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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #131 on: June 01, 2009, 07:58:15 PM »
I like the Ki-44 and J2M3 better:

Ki-44 Shoki 'Tojo':


J2M Raiden 'Jack':

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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #132 on: June 02, 2009, 12:40:22 PM »
4 x 20mms FTW in that case!

Also, more early war japanese and russian planes please.
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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #133 on: June 02, 2009, 03:07:07 PM »
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Keep in mind, I am pro-Ki-84.  I was a major advocater  for it being added to AH.

Thanks!!  :aok



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The Ki-84-Ib does meet the criteria and should, in my opinion, be added.

Agreed. Hope it comes. :pray
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Re: Ki-84
« Reply #134 on: June 05, 2009, 02:46:45 PM »
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Yes your right. Im not so afraid bout 1v1 with spits.
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