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MaxImm

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2001, 10:37:00 PM »
OK lets talk paint schemes..

Whatever is done, please mix it up a bit!

109F4 > Marseille's - "Yellow 14"
109G2 > Schroer's - "Red 1"
109G6 > Bartels - "Red 13"
109G10 > No change

I've posted this before so I've already heard all the reasons why we have the current schemes.  Just pluggin the ideas when and where I can.
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Offline DB603

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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2001, 12:05:00 AM »
S!

 Hmm..change paint scheme for G-2?!UHOH!It is good as it is now.  It is paint scheme of best scoring Finnish Ace Ilmari Juutilainen with 94 confirmed kills.Beats any Allied pilot any day   Every 109 doesn't need to represent a German ace...


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Offline SageFIN

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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2001, 01:28:00 AM »
 
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The reason the poorer performing G-6 replaced the G-2 was two reasons:

#1  The heavier armarment of the 2 13mm MG's was felt nessesary to help take down aircraft such as the IL-2.  Not to mention the heavy Allied Bombers.  As mentioned above, this created bulges which increased drag and slowed the aircraft.

I don't think that those 13mm MG's could make any difference at all versus an Il-2 or much less a heavy bomber. In AH they are of no use even against fighters. Thus the G6 is inferior to the G2 in pretty much every respect.

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Offline illo

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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2001, 02:57:00 PM »
Sagefin, 13mm were enough against fighters. I discussed this with Georg Amanns grandson ossi.
His granpa stated that at close ranges (under 50m) he used mostly 13mm machineguns. When he could get good burst in it was almost sure kill. 20mm was enough from further away (250m if i remember right)

I think he talked about 109. He also flew 190 and 262.
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Offline gatt

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2001, 04:15:00 PM »
C.202s downed Hurricanes and P-40 with only two 12,7mm. C.202s downed even B-17s with 2x12,7mm during the defence of Italy. Same thing did Japanese fighters with "light" armament during home defence.

Here lethality is tuned down. Imagine what 20mm and 30mm could do if things were like the Real Thing.
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2001, 11:28:00 PM »
Lethality is not "tuned down", it's not that simple.

The digital damage model is largely to blame.
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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2001, 01:14:00 AM »
Blah, hell with it, I've shot down a B-17 with pair of 7.92mm pea shots..
Though, that needs whole load of ammunition even from 50 yards behind  

goes easy with 202 compared to that.
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Offline DB603

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2001, 01:14:00 AM »
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 The DM needs some adjustment.It is either on or off.And varies VERY much with net lag.
About 20/30mm lethality.The 20/30mm could rip the plane apart,but the only 20mm here doing that from extreme ranges is the Hispano  



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Offline Kirin

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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2001, 02:45:00 AM »
Blah Fishu...  

I shot down a Lanc with 13mm last week...  luckily I disabled his rear gunner with the last few cannon shells - parked 100 yards off his six - put about 500 MG rounds into his tail until it fell off...  

With 13mm you can light up even fighters for minutes without doing any real damage. Hey, I want an option to remove em on the 190A5!!

Back on topic... hmm a faster G6? Fine with me altough I got caught in the fangs of Tanks desings now...  
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2001, 03:35:00 AM »
PUNT!  

I have a great idea (at least i think so)
Lets give current 109g-6 finnish markings and
add 109g6AM (mw50) with current 109g6 artwork.(AH 109g6 has artwork of RL 109g6AM)


WE WANT G6 AM! :O

hih!


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Offline Elk

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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2001, 04:04:00 AM »
G6 + DB605AM = G14  ?
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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2001, 07:24:00 AM »
Pretty much. Afaik the G-14 was an attempt to standardise the late model G-6 with all the various mods.
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Offline R4M

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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2001, 07:28:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Elk:
G6 + DB605AM = G14  ?

Negative. G14 had a modified tail aswell,IIRC. And some of them used DB605ASM engines for better high altitude performance.
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Offline Glasses

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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2001, 08:31:00 AM »
HOw about giving that "other" 109 Hungarian markings(Yugoslav?) and give it MW50 it really needs.

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