Tempest vs Spitfire XIV

[Furball]

BRIEF TACTICAL COMPARISON WITH TEMPEST V

Range and Endurance
24. Rough comparisons have been made at the maximum continuous cruising conditions of both aircraft. (3150 revs. +4 1/2 lb. boost Tempest, 2400 revs. +7 lb. boost Spitfire XIV).

24A. The best heights of each aircraft are very different, producing the following results:-

The Tempest is faster and goes further up to 10,000 ft. From 10,000 - 20,000 ft. both aircraft cruise at about 300 I.A.S. Above 20,000 ft. the Tempest cannot maintain its high crusing speed and no comparisons can be made with the Spitfire XIV which increases its ground speed and range up to 29,000 ft.
These comparisons remain the same with the full fuel loads at present available (2 x 45 gall. long range tank Tempest, 1 x 90 gall. longe range tank Spitfire).

Maximum Speed
25. From 0 - 10,000 feet the Tempest V is 20 mph. faster than the Spitfire XIV. There is then little to choose until 22,000 feet, when the Spitfire XIV becomes 30-40 mph. faster, the Tempest's operational ceiling being about 30,000 feet as opposed to the Spitfire XIV's 40,000 feet.

Maximum Climb
26. The Tempest is not in the same class as the Spitfire XIV. The Tempest V however, has a considerably better zoom climb, holding a higher speed thoughout the manoeuvre. If the climb is prolonged until climbing speed is reached then, of course, the Spitfire XIV will begin to catch up and pull ahead.

Dive
27. The Tempest V gains on the Spitfire XIV.

Turning Circle
28. The Spitfire XIV easily out-turns the Tempest.

Rate of Roll
29. The Spitfire XIV rolls faster at speeds below 300 mph., but definitely more slowly at speeds greater than 350 mph.

Conclusions
30. The tactical attributes of the two aircraft being completely different, they require a separate handling techique in combat. For this reason Typhoon squadrons should convert to Tempests, and Spitfire squadrons to Spitfire XIVs, and definitely never vice-versa, or each aircraft's particular advantages would never be appreciated. Regarding performance, if correctly handled, the Tempest is the better below about 20,000 feet and the Spitfire XIV the better above that height.

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14afdu.html

So much BS in this thread.

The Tempest was quickly replaced in British service.  The Hawker Fury/Sea Fury (One of, if not THE finest piston fighter ever produced) was a lightened Tempest II.  The last Tempests in service were there because they were being used as target tugs, not front line aircraft.

[Angus]

Just what I said. Just more subtly

[Fianna]

I've never really flown either one, but I'm much more wary when there's a Tempest in the area. As has been stated above, the ability of the Tempest to control when the fight starts and when it ends, as well as those four hispanos, makes it more dangerous. I've always viewed Spit XIV's as relatively easy kills.

[Angus]

When the enemy is in range, so are you.

[AKDogg]

Half a year?  I've been in these games since Air Warrior.  Glad you can look things up on the stats page... sorry you don't realize sometimes people change names with squad affiliations. 

Participation in this BBS is also not indicative of flight time.

Certain things never change either.

[BigPlay]

All 262/190/109/152 were retired in 1945 I guess it make them quite unsuitable for combat use  ?

 

Avia S-199 (Czech-built version of the Me-109) flew under Israeli markings in the 1948 war against the Egyptians. The Egyptians flew Spits

[MachFly]

Any noob can fly a 14 as long as he has the perks as well.  Did you ever think that maybe you think the 14 is vastly better because you don't know how the fly the Tempest?  Hmm...

So why don't you show me that you can dogfight in a tempest........better yet, do it against a spit14

tempest is not a dogfight and if your saying it is then you really don't know how to fly one

Be careful with your usage of the word "noob," 1.75 years in-game is still a noob to a lot of people who have been around for 5 times that.  Also, MORAY has almost half a year on ya.

Speak for your self, as far as I see you been flying since 87 and your kill to death ratio is only 1.94, that's embarrassing. You must be a super noob since you been flying from april 2007 and your K/D is not even 2 

[Lusche]

Speak for your self, as far as I see you been flying since 87 and your kill to death ratio is only 1.94, that's embarrassing. You must be a super noob since you been flying from april 2007 and your K/D is not even 2 

It is now embarrassing to have a higher K/D than 90% of all AH players?

[MachFly]

It is now embarrassing to have a higher K/D than 90% of all AH players?

1.94 is not higher than 90% and even if it is I would expect someone who comes here and tell me that I don't know how to fly to have a high K/D or at least higher than me....

[Widewing]

So why don't you show me that you can dogfight in a tempest........better yet, do it against a spit14

tempest is not a dogfight and if your saying it is then you really don't know how to fly one

I'll take that challenge.... Then, I'll step down to a P-40E.... Wagers anyone?

[MachFly]

I'll take that challenge.... Then, I'll step down to a P-40E.... Wagers anyone?

To be honest with you i'm pretty sure that you (by you i mean widewing) can do it, but you'll you a lot better dogfighting in most other planes


however it would still be interesting to test that.

[Lusche]

1.94 is not higher than 90% and even if it is I would expect someone who comes here and tell me that I don't know how to fly to have a high K/D or at least higher than me....

1.94 is not higher than 90% and even if it is I would expect someone who comes here and tell me that I don't know how to fly to have a high K/D or at least higher than me....

A)

1.94 is higher than 90%. I didn't make this number up:

B)

As you seem to view K/D as giving give a player authority on this topic, I now declare, by the power of having a K/D twice as high as yours:

Tempest is a better fighter in a AH than the Spit 14.

You may now bow and be silent.
Thread is over.

 

[Widewing]

To be honest with you i'm pretty sure that you (by you i mean widewing) can do it, but you'll you a lot better dogfighting in most other planes


however it would still be interesting to test that.

I'm in the TA tomorrow evening working with Buddy... Stop in.


My regards,

Widewing

[MachFly]

As you seem to view K/D as giving give a player authority on this topic, I now declare, by the power of having a K/D twice as high as yours:

You may now bow and be silent.

, just kidding

As you seem to view K/D as giving give a player authority on this topic,

no, this was the only reason why i mentioned the K/D:

Any noob can fly a 14 as long as he has the perks as well.  Did you ever think that maybe you think the 14 is vastly better because you don't know how the fly the Tempest?  Hmm...

Be careful with your usage of the word "noob," 1.75 years in-game is still a noob to a lot of people who have been around for 5 times that.  Also, MORAY has almost half a year on ya.

having a K/D twice as high as yours:

13.37, that is good

[Lusche]

13.37, that is good

No. It only seems so. I'm just flying mainly Tempests in fighter mode this tour, and that's inflating my K/D. Go figure