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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2009, 07:12:53 AM »
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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2009, 07:30:25 AM »
Winning or losing a duel against Batfink proves nothing for whether spits are or aren't just like Moray describes. It's got nothing to do with it.
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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2009, 08:17:49 AM »
Each plane has its' strengths and weaknesses Lusche.  I simply feel the later Spits do most everything well, and will do something better than any other aircraft they come up against.  It obviously takes the pilot to figure it out, but the plane can be used to kill anything.  I don't see a challenge in flying them and getting kills.

I'm sorry if you see an issue with my sweeping generalization of the late model Supermarine Spitfires.  It is simply my opinion, and I feel they are easy to get kills in, hence I don't fly them.

If you, on the other hand, think it is difficult to get kills in late war spits....

(something I don't believe you feel, btw.)



Actually, a SpitXVI will literally do everything better than most of what it can expect to fight, except top speed, where it is merely good. Although "merely good" in this case includes being as fast or faster than many planes which it greatly out-turns, out-climbs/accelerates, and out-rolls, while packing an extremely lethal gun package

But your other Spits, your IX, V, Seafire, they are much more reasonable in their speed/maneuverability ratio relative the rest of the set.

As far as "forgiving handling" goes, many fighters in AHII are about as easy to put through BFMs as Spitfires.
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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2009, 10:56:01 AM »
back to topic please. . .srsly, everytime people start to talk about spitfires the IQ just drops and people start to scream nurf.  The tempest is a much better plane on many many levels, and the fight is controled by the tempest from start to finish (as was said in the other post about tempests and this is true).  If a tempest loses to a spitty, its because the tempest pilot skill is inferior to the spitfire - but with equal or near equal pilot skills, barring some snapshot luck, the tempest should win.

am I wrong here?

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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2009, 11:07:06 AM »
back to topic please. . .srsly, everytime people start to talk about spitfires the IQ just drops and people start to scream nurf.  The tempest is a much better plane on many many levels, and the fight is controled by the tempest from start to finish (as was said in the other post about tempests and this is true).  If a tempest loses to a spitty, its because the tempest pilot skill is inferior to the spitfire - but with equal or near equal pilot skills, barring some snapshot luck, the tempest should win.

am I wrong here?

This is the exact point I had.  The Tempest controls the length and type of the engagement, the Spit 14 is simply along for the ride.  The Spit pilot must be able to adjust to anything the Tempest throws at it.....and cannot escape or force the Tempest pilot's hand.  The only way he wins is if the Tempest makes a mistake, and he will only get a snapshot at that, due to the Tempest's escape hatch of dive.
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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2009, 11:11:30 AM »
You can't really blame someone if they are *highly* surprised by the Tempest turning nearly as well as the SpitXIV...I think alot of WWII pilots would have found it surprising also.

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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2009, 12:37:58 PM »
 Moot. Like i said before; that is very sad. Well done for being 'right', like always. Funny though, that my friends and squadmates would probably give a reasonably decent account of who I am and what I stand for. How would some of your squaddies describe you? How have they already described you? Head so far up your backside you cant see it?
 If you read more carefully you would see that I was talking personaly. If anyone thinks the spitfires are no challenge, come fight me, show me what you got. Unless you win 5/5 there is still more to learn about spitfires.
 
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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2009, 01:01:16 PM »
. If anyone thinks the spitfires are no challenge,

Well, that statement was highly dependent on what kind of Spitfire vs. what now wasn't it? So there are too many qualifiers for it to be meaningful. That is why it is called *relative* performance.
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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2009, 01:08:01 PM »


Well, in that case excuse me for totaly misreading what looked like quite an obvious blanket statement coming from somebody who was willing and able to give and receive crticism. I didnt read the rest of the thread so maybe i took this out of context.

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What, Karnak, just couldn't say something constructive, and simply moved to the personal insult?  My, aren't we the usual grown up.?  And in an aircraft discussion thread... You're a real case. And then you agree with me.....LOL.

 I may look at Spitfires in any way I see fit, and I don't need to ask for your approval sir.  I don't fly them, they are way too easy.  Turn, yank, pull.  Rinse repeat until having gained advantage.  I've prolly upped 5 in the last 5 tours.
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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2009, 02:32:12 PM »
You can't really blame someone if they are *highly* surprised by the Tempest turning nearly as well as the SpitXIV...I think alot of WWII pilots would have found it surprising also.

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I call BS on that chart... our XIV can't turn with our IX or XVI. :rolleyes:



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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2009, 02:38:03 PM »
I call BS on that chart... our XIV can't turn with our IX or XVI. :rolleyes:

That's not a chart about ingame performance ;)
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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2009, 02:48:30 PM »
As everyone surely would no the Tempest is an update on the Typhoon.

The Tempests best speed is around 18,300 feet if my source was correct.  Its' max speed at max alt was slower then the P47s.

This means as the Tempest at 18K climbing its' performance would be deteriorating.

The Tempest was used for flying Bombs and ground attack just as the Typhoon was.

The SpitXIV performance is increasing at 18K and continues to increase thereafter until it reaches its'

max performance altitude.

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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2009, 02:52:19 PM »
That's not a chart about ingame performance ;)

I know, I was being sarcastic... :aok If only AH2 had the Mk.21 and Meteor III... :rolleyes:

On a serious note, that diagram leaves a lot to the imagination as there's no keys or annotations! All it's telling me is that AH2's XIV is seriously gimp in the turning department.

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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2009, 03:15:02 PM »
I'll take my spit over temp everytime.  :aok
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Re: Tempest vs Spitfire XIV
« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2009, 04:52:31 PM »
That's not a chart about ingame performance ;)
It also isn't a chart to any scale.  It is just showing best to worst turners.  Spits did not out turn the others by that much.
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