5.(F)/122 Ju 88

[Greebo]

I've pushed the boundaries of what's an acceptable substitution for a skin a few times, but I don't really think this is one of those times. I have removed the panel lines for the dive brakes so the only external inaccuracy on the skin are the bombracks under the wings and the lack of camera windows. The windows can't be added due to limitations in the AH1 vintage 3D shape. The D-1 was equipped with the same sort of defensive guns as the A-4 so it wasn't an unarmed aircraft anyway.

I only went for this particular aircraft as I had a really good photo of it and the "T"s under the wings mirror correctly. If it being a D-1 is an issue for HTC I can easily remodel it to a winter camo'd A-4.

[AWwrgwy]

My "no" logic is purely about the bombs.  The bird in question couldn't carry bombs.  Not it didn't carry them, it is physically unable.  Bombs being replaced by cameras.

Can we fly an un-bombed Ju88 now? 

Sure, the mgs are still there, but by carrying bombs it is a bit of a misrepresentation.


wrongway

[lyric1]

My "no" logic is purely about the bombs.  The bird in question couldn't carry bombs.  Not it didn't carry them, it is physically unable.  Bombs being replaced by cameras.

Can we fly an un-bombed Ju88 now? 

Sure, the mgs are still there, but by carrying bombs it is a bit of a misrepresentation.


wrongway

Didn't a number of fighter units of the eighth airforce never carry bombs or have the ability to carry them as all they did was fighter sweeps? Would that not be a similar type of situation if one of those skins made it into the game?

[AWwrgwy]

Didn't a number of fighter units of the eighth airforce never carry bombs or have the ability to carry them as all they did was fighter sweeps? Would that not be a similar type of situation if one of those skins made it into the game?

But the "ability". the equipment to do so, was still there.

It's not a matter that they didn't carry bombs.  It's that they couldn't carry bombs.

After all, it is a bomber.  Or, more accurately, was a bomber.


wrongway

[Larry]

Can we fly an un-bombed Ju88 now? 

Sure, the mgs are still there, but by carrying bombs it is a bit of a misrepresentation.


wrongway

Yes, you can select your Ju88 to take off with no bombs.

[Krusty]

You can select internal only, or external only, in case you want large eggs with no internals, or internals with no large eggs.

One of the cross-over areas of that is you can select neither internal or external.

That's not the intent, however. It's just a quirk of the loadout screen and the options available.

[Larry]

And like I said you can take off with 0 bombs. So if you wanted to you can go around with no bombs and play recon guy. Will people do this? I think not, but the only people that can say no to this skin is HTC.

[Krusty]

For somebody that only entered this thread with the intent of insulting others in the skins forum, you sure seem devoted to picking a fight.


HTC doesn't allow unarmed skins, noncombat skins, and recon skins that weren't armed (PR? no. fighter recon? yes.).

You're looking for reasons to defend this skin... why? Simply because I'm mentioned in the thread (by you, no less)? Do you actually care about the Ju88 in any way, shape, or form?

I kinda do. I've flown it often enough, would like more versions of it. I like new skins for it when they are released. What's your stake in this matter?

[lyric1]

But the "ability". the equipment to do so, was still there.

It's not a matter that they didn't carry bombs.  It's that they couldn't carry bombs.

After all, it is a bomber.  Or, more accurately, was a bomber.


wrongway

Then I guess no electronic war fare bomber frames are acceptable as well or any path finder aircraft either?

[Larry]

[1pLUs44]

For somebody that only entered this thread with the intent of insulting others in the skins forum, you sure seem devoted to picking a fight.


HTC doesn't allow unarmed skins, noncombat skins, and recon skins that weren't armed (PR? no. fighter recon? yes.).

You're looking for reasons to defend this skin... why? Simply because I'm mentioned in the thread (by you, no less)? Do you actually care about the Ju88 in any way, shape, or form?

I kinda do. I've flown it often enough, would like more versions of it. I like new skins for it when they are released. What's your stake in this matter?

How 'bout this, let Greebo submit the skin, and whether or not it gets in the game is up to HTC. Not any of us.

[Krusty]

Greebo hasn't done this, but others have... Folks misrepresent skins, lie, or mislead about the info (or are just plain ignorant) to get skins into the game that don't belong on certain models, don't belong at all, or are 100% ficticious skins.

We have a responsibility to bring these questions up, because in the past HTC hasn't caught all of these faulty skins. Once a skin is in-game it's quite hard to get back out (as evidenced by black p-38).

[AWwrgwy]

How 'bout this, let Greebo submit the skin, and whether or not it gets in the game is up to HTC. Not any of us.

He can do whatever he likes.  I like the skin.  However, other than for the satisfaction of doing a nice job, why put the time and effort into a skin to be submitted that does not fit the criteria of acceptable skins from the get go?

Like Krusty said, we're only helping by pointing out possible flaws.  I say possible.  We are not infallible either but could be saving some research time on the part of HTC or at least pointing out things to look for.

I know of one P-51D in game now with post-war markings.  Minor stuff added for ID purposes to a skin after the end of hostilities that were not there during the war.  There is also a post war Yak-9U.  There is also a Yak-9T with the right side markings on the left side and vice versa.

Every little bit of input helps.


wrongway

[Greebo]

I have no problem with Krusty or anyone else querying the validity or any other aspect of one of my skins. In fact, that's the main reason for posting them in here in the first place. I also post a link to these BBS threads in the info.txt file I send to HTC with each skin, so Pyro can easily see any issues raised.

As I said before, I'll submit this skin as it is. If there is a problem about it being a Ju 88D-1 then I will change it to a similar Ju 88A-4 by changing the squadron codes and badges and resubmit it like that.