Author Topic: Early vs Mid vs Late War Plane Sets  (Read 511 times)

Offline Minotaur

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« on: February 04, 2000, 10:26:00 AM »
This discussion goes around and around.

For this discussion I am trying to generalize across the board. I am not pointing fingers at any individuals personsal taste.  Nor am I discussing actual events in history.

Based on the human nature to always be better or have better.   Discounting pilot ability and refering to fighter aircraft capabilities only, here is my take.

If you prefer the early set, you prefer the Axis planes (Japan, Italy and Germany).  These countries were the aggressors and had much more capable aircraft from the onset of hostilities.

If you prefer the early mid set, you still prefer Axis planes.  The Allies advance against Japan dramatically, due to plane armor and speed.  

If you prefer the mid set, you still prefer Axis planes.  Although Germany remained the most advanced, Japan and Italy begin to lag.  The Allies made strong gains, particularly Briton, but the advantage still goes to Germany.

If you prefer the mid late set, you prefer Axis or the Allies.  Germany holds techological advantages, but no decisive advantages in capability.

If you prefer the late set, you prefer Axis or the Allies.  Propeller driving aircraft pretty much even out for all countries.

If you prefer the late late set, then you (and everyone else in the arena) would chose Germany.  Jet aircraft, particularly the ME-262 totally dominate.  

The late late period was almost the height of piston engine propeller driven aircraft technology.  I very exciting time in aviation history.

Basically Germany and Japan were the primary agressors, and were VERY prepared to fight and to dominate.  For the most part, Germany had more capable aircraft throuhout the war.  The Allies were hard pressed to play catch up.  Especially during the early periods.

I am only one, but I think HTC has done a remarkable job at balancing this all out.  The main arena can't compare to real war.  I see a good mix of planes in combat and generally things seem pretty balanced to me.

Just somthing to think about!  

Mino  


Offline Westy

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2000, 10:59:00 AM »
I like all the planesets. But you're pretty much righ on about it all.
 I would have to say though that in European theatre there was more of a leapfroggin type of thing occuring. Can't forget the English had the Spit against the 109 right off the bat and the Spit was superior. Then the 190 entered the picture and turned the tables.  Then the Spit Ix came out....then the 190A-4..the KI-84....then the P51..the Yaks..the D9, the P38L..the LA7..the Niki... the Tempest....etc, etc.. After 1942 the gap between each sides aircraft advantages/disadvantages narrowed considerably down as the envelope was pushed towards the limits by all sides (prop fighters)

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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2000, 12:23:00 PM »
I think that the technical advantage of one country over another in the early war period are more a factor of tactics and coordination then superior aircraft.
The Axis had good aircraft and tactics suited to those aircraft.
The 109e3 is not superior to the Spit 1 or maybe even the p36...It has advantages and disadvantages. Using correct tactics the F4F and P40 both where equal to the early Zeros..
Some of the early version flight models in AH seemed to indicate that there where planes that could do no wrong.. This has been greatly improved I think.

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Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2000, 12:37:00 PM »
I think it may boil down to something even more simple.

If you are a real fan of jump in the furball and TnB, you will naturally gravitate towards early war and to midwar (up until the Focke-Wulf Scourge period). In this period, most planes are of similar performance and low lethality, requiring up close and personal, extended bursts to do much damage. In smiley language you can think of the aircraft like this,    In other words, the natural environment of the Turn n Burn pilot.

Once the Fw190 comes out, and thru the rest of the war. People always have to worry about some firing breathing lightspeed uber bird, blowing down out of the heavens and incinerating you with a single burst of uber cannon.  In smiley language that equals     And if you like to fight this way, you always want faster/bigger/more cannon & ammo birds. The natural arena of the E fighter.

Now dont' anyone get upset at my analogy with the smilies,  since it is all in fun.  But I think I do make a valid point



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Offline Hristo

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2000, 03:05:00 PM »
BoB setup is my favourite, I admit  

Fighting Spit 1 in Emil is really great (for Emil driver, of course).

However, if AH has started the late war trend, so be it. Let's proceed to the end of the war.

Here's a little early war fight:
 http://www.combatsim.com/dtest/shock/dogfight.html

Offline Pongo

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2000, 04:04:00 PM »
It would seem unfinished to leave out the final Uber planes..
Its not like the Spit 1 and Niki can coexist in any meaningful way. The 109f4 is pushing it.


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