Brewster Buffalo

[MORAY37]

Well, the Finns will be happy.  Good for them.

Nothing like adding an aircraft that was completely outdated and outclassed when the war started.  At least it's a new ride.

[Karnak]

Contrary to (unfortunately) popular belief, the Swastika was not a Nazi symbol. It was around for thousands of years, being associated with good luck in cultures around before the Nazis defaced it and gave it a new connotation for Western Culture (I'm not sure if the same connotations are held in other cultures?). The blue swastika in the white circle was adopted as the roundel for the Finnish Air Force in 1918.
We have the version that was sold to the Finns, I would assume, because it's the one that saw the most significant service, being the mount of some of the highest scoring aces of all time.

It is still very popular as a good luck symbol in India.

Nothing like adding an aircraft that was completely outdated and outclassed when the war started.  At least it's a new ride.

There are not many aircraft left to be added that will not be whined about being "hangar queens" as most of the supermachines have already been put into the game.

[smokey23]

Maybe for someone such as yourself that is only capable of flying fast late war planes but the Brewster fills a gap in the EW and even MW plane set.  It's a great addition to the game that won't be a hanger queen in the EW and MW arenas.

ack-ack

well congrats to the early war flyers then, all 40 of you i dont do early war so all the better. Oh and by the way i dont like late war fast planes unless you call the A6m or Hurri C a fast plane. I just dont see many people upping it to often after the novelty wears off due to the meager armament. Thats just my opinion but we'll see what happens.

[TwinBoom]

well congrats to the early war flyers then, all 40 of you i dont do early war so all the better. Oh and by the way i dont like late war fast planes unless you call the A6m or Hurri C a fast plane. I just dont see many people upping it to often after the novelty wears off due to the meager armament. Thats just my opinion but we'll see what happens.

same guns as the fm2 and b pony

[Motherland]

4 .50 cals isn't exactly a meager armament... the P51B, Wildcats, and P38's (I know the P38 has a Hispano but from what I understand people continue to use the 4x .50's once that's dry) are fairly popular aircraft, I don't see why the Brewster won't see at least some use, with a similar crowd to the Wildcat. (the .50s are M2's, right, they weren't replaced in Finland?)
4x .50s is at very least a superior armament to that of the A6M2's, not far behind the A6M5b's IMO... especially in a turn fight.

[texastc316]

jeeze. Some of you are worse than kids. Its a good lookng plane, true it wont see alot of action in latewar but so what, its fills a void in scenarios, FSO, Snapshots, and it has been asked for for many many years. Not too many uber late war rides left, its about time we start filling in the early war stuff.
WTG superfly greebo and the rest of HTC.  
now back to the show

[Rich46yo]

well congrats to the early war flyers then, all 40 of you i dont do early war so all the better. Oh and by the way i dont like late war fast planes unless you call the A6m or Hurri C a fast plane. I just dont see many people upping it to often after the novelty wears off due to the meager armament. Thats just my opinion but we'll see what happens.

Smoke I think you should be reported for posting an original opinion and one that you really mean. How dare you!

Remember all the pages of the herd going gaa-gaa over the P-39? How many of them do you think still fly it?

And in order to have special events based on actual history you'd have to have the pre-war, and early war, Soviet aircraft the Finns actually flew against. What are you going to do? Match the Buffalos against LAs and Yak-9s?

Hey it would be great to re-create the Winter war in the air. But to do so you'd have to model a couple/three early war Soviet fighters 95% of your customer base would also only fly once. And there are far more planes we need more and would be used more.

But...your right. The Buffalo deserves a chance. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe it will find a niche.

[Fencer51]

Ahh one more piece in the planeset puzzle.. now all we need are the TBD and PBY. 

Congrats Finns, its been a long time coming in several games.

[Wmaker]

And in order to have special events based on actual history you'd have to have the pre-war, and early war, Soviet aircraft the Finns actually flew against.

I-16 Rata alone in addition to the Brewster would make a great furball-setup for the AvA and special events. Both of these aircraft are highly maneuverable and I think they'd make a fun setup even for folks who aren't so famillar/interested in history of the Finnish Air Force.

BTW, Brewster arrived too late to see action in Winter War.

[MORAY37]

jeeze. Some of you are worse than kids. Its a good lookng plane, true it wont see alot of action in latewar but so what, its fills a void in scenarios, FSO, Snapshots, and it has been asked for for many many years. Not too many uber late war rides left, its about time we start filling in the early war stuff.
WTG superfly greebo and the rest of HTC.  
now back to the show

Oh, and it's another american ride.  Surprise.... then snore.

[MORAY37]

It is still very popular as a good luck symbol in India.
There are not many aircraft left to be added that will not be whined about being "hangar queens" as most of the supermachines have already been put into the game.

Karnak, I'm not asking for supermachines.  There are plenty out there to model, but that just don't happen to be Made in America.

[Saxman]

Oh, and it's another american ride.  Surprise.... then snore.

Technically the Model 239 was Finnish. Yes it's an American design built in the States, but the Finns stripped most or all of the armor off, removed the naval equipment (arrestor hook, etc) increased the armament, (4x.50cal instead of 1.30 and 3x.50) and made a large number of other changes (basically stripped her BACK into the plane that Boyington said was actually very good until the Navy overloaded her). The 239 is completely distinct from the F2A-3 the USMC used at Midway, and the derivative export models the British and Dutch used in the early phases of the Pacific War.

[Squire]

"now all we need are the TBD and PBY"

Dont be silly, neither is jet powered. Or had No0Ks.

[B4Buster]

WTG HTC

[Wmaker]

Technically the Model 239 was Finnish. Yes it's an American design built in the States, but the Finns stripped most or all of the armor off, removed the naval equipment (arrestor hook, etc) increased the armament, (4x.50cal instead of 1.30 and 3x.50) and made a large number of other changes (basically stripped her BACK into the plane that Boyington said was actually very good until the Navy overloaded her). The 239 is completely distinct from the F2A-3 the USMC used at Midway, and the derivative export models the British and Dutch used in the early phases of the Pacific War.

Actually it shipped sans any Naval gear and without any armor and Finns added back and head armor to the 239s. It is, like you said, effectively a different plane compared to the F2A-3. The weight difference with 160gal fuel on both is around 1080lbs!