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Offline Flitze

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« on: April 22, 2001, 12:55:00 PM »
Why are players always demanding such planes like

P47M
Do335
P51H
Spit F21

and so on ?

Are there not any "normal"=non perk planes missing in AH ?
Like

B24
B25
Ju188 (some variants may be perked)
PBY Catalina
Mosquito (ok, maybe perked or not)
many ordinary japanese fighters and bombers
Il-2
some russian bombers

Btw, I'm still missing the 1000kg bomb or some missiles for the 190F8.

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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2001, 01:30:00 PM »
Perked Ju-188? What model would that one be?

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2001, 01:30:00 PM »
Flitze,

Here are my opinions on the aircraft you listed:

B-24:  This is functionally a B-17 in different clothes.  Its stats are slightly different, but the roll is the same.  With the number of American units already in AH, and the amount of work a 4 engined aircraft requires, I think the B-24 should be very low on HTC's priority list.

B-25:  This fills the same roll as the B-26, as well as having ground attack versions.  Once again it is an American aircraft and we have enough for awhile.  I think the B-25 should be added much sooner that the B-24, however.

Ju188 (some variants may be perked):  There are many German aircraft already in AH, but I agree that the Germans need more bombers.  I do not think that any German bomber, other than the Ar234, should be perked.  I would rather see the He177 as the next German bomber, but the Ju188 is a good aircraft as well.  I think that a new German bomber should be a low priority.

PBY Catalina: Yet another American aircraft, and my current opinion of adding more of those has already been stated.  I would very much like the first flying boat to be the Kawanishi H8K2 "Emily". Not only is the "Emily" a better flying boat, but it would fill many need rolls for both the Japanese and Axis.  It gives the Japanese a tough, well defended four engined bomber and torpedo aircraft.  With slight modification to the H8K3 it adds troop carrying capability, although the H8K3 would need to be perked.  I would kind of like to see the H8K2 and PBY Catalina added at the same time.  The H8K2 is one of my top 3 choices for new aircraft to be added.

Mosquito (ok, maybe perked or not): Yes, we need the Mosquito.  I would like to see Mosquito FB.MkVI, Mosquito B.MkXVI, Mosquito FB.MkXVIII and, if night fighters are added, the Mosquito NF.30.  The Mosquito B.MkXVI and Mosquito NF.30 may need to be perks.  The Mosquito is the third part of the 3 core aircraft of the WWII RAF in the popular mind, Spitfire, Mosquito and Lancaster.  I think that the Mosquito should be a high priority for HTC.

many ordinary Japanese fighters and bombers:  I agree.  There are too many to mention, but I think this should be HTC's highest priority.

Il-2:  I think, not positive, that we will see this one in v1.07.  This is my 5th most desired aircraft for AH.  I think this should be a high priority, but I also think that NATEDOG is working on it right now.

some Russian bombers:  Once again, I agree.  I would like to se the Tu-2 more that the Pe-2, but they both need to be added at some point.  I think this should be a high priority for HTC.


The reason I responded is that you mentioned the Spitfire F.21, and I believe that you mentioned it because of one of my posts.  I am not actually very keen on getting the Spitfire F.21, I only mention it because the Luftwaffe fans are so keen on requesting a never ending stream of German aircraft that simply HAVE to be in the next version.  I use the Spit 21 as a reference to the fact that they already have the German equivalent in the Ta152H-1.  I do want the British equivalent to the Fw190D-9, the Spitfire MkXIV, but that entered service in Jan. 1944, more than a year before the Spitfire 21.

I would like to see the late war plane set finished, or at least mostly finished before moving to early war aircraft.  Why?  Because only the Germans and Americans have their late war plane set anywhere near finished.  I would like to see the Japanese, Russian and British (I'm afraid there is no real hope for the Italians) get their late war aircraft as well.

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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2001, 02:38:00 PM »
The German planset needs these aircraft...

I will list the aircraft and the role they would fill in the game...

Ju-188        < Night Bomber
He-111        < Day Bomber

He-219        <
Fw-190A6/R11  < Anyone of these 3 would fill
Bf-110G       <  Nightfighter role.

Bf-110C or G  < Bomber Intercept/Jabo
Bf-109 E4 or E7 < BOB day fighter


IMO these are the aircraft the German Planset desperaley needs...
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2001, 07:19:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Nefarious:
The German planset needs these aircraft...

I will list the aircraft and the role they would fill in the game...

He-111        < Day Bomber

Um, you mean in scenarios, I hope.

You'll be lucky to see one He-111 a week in the Main arena.

Do-217 is a better bet.

Bf-110C or G  < Bomber Intercept/Jabo

Not survivable in this MA. You need the 410.



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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2001, 07:52:00 PM »
the He111 would make an excellent torp bomber and an excellent low level attacker WHEN ESCORTED.

The Bf110 When escorted would be more than adequate for destroying Heavy bombers in a single pass...

Just because Its at a disandvantage in the MA doesnt make it obsolete...


There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2001, 07:56:00 PM »
Flitze, could you explain me why the P47M would be perked please? (I'm not very familliar with those big radial planes.)


Btw, I'm still missing the 1000kg bomb or some missiles for the 190F8.
And if I may notice, you don't wish perk planes, only perked weapons  
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2001, 09:28:00 PM »
SFRT - Frenchy,

470mph.

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2001, 10:14:00 PM »
Karnak,

I have to disagree with a few of your comparisons.

First off, the B-24 is not a B-17 in different clothes.  Both are very different aircraft, although the roles they served happened to lump them into similar categories.  First off the Liberator was a faster aircraft capable of carrying a larger bomb load.  The Liberator also was of much different construction, to the Liberators loss.  The 17 was a much stronger airframe compared to the Liberator, proof of such being that the Liberator was subject to many structural failures due to damgae that the 17 easily absorbed.  The Liberator climbed faster and had a longer radius as well.  Many Liberator pilots were disgsted with their product though due to the lack of survivability the aircraft offered.

The B-25 is not the same aircraft as the B-26, nor is the A-26.  The B-25 was a light to medium altitude bomber that was a relatively stout airframe and the versatility that the 26 did not.  Proof being that the aircraft served all facets during WW2.  Including but not limited to ground attack with a 75mm cannon (B-25H), a modified naval variant capable of carrying a torpedo, photo reconnaisance, and path finder.  Also, note that the B-25 flew with MANY different countries, including the USSR England, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, and others.


The fact that these aircraft are American should not matter whether they are included or not, what should matter is whether they served in a role that did affect the outcome of their purpose.  Which all of these aircraft did.


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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2001, 11:34:00 PM »
Bodhi,

B-24:  If 8,000lbs, as opposed to 6,000lbs, is much larger and 10 more mph is much faster, ok they are very different.  Please explain what the B-24 would bring to Aces High RIGHT NOW.  

B-25:  I never said it was.  I said it would fill the same roll as the B-26 with ground attack versions available as well.  No where did I say that it was a B-26 and an A-20, thats obviously silly.  What would the B-25 bring to Aces High RIGHT NOW that we can't posibly live without and can't fill with a Russian, British or Japanese aircraft?

Fine, lets ask HTC to add all the American and German aircraft and then think about adding Russian, British and Japanese aircraft.  After all, it doesn't matter if I, and many others, cancel our accounts in frustration.

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2001, 11:44:00 PM »
 I have to agree with Flitze. I always wonder why there is a pressing "need" for the ultimate type mark. ie P-47M,P-51H.
 I understand the relative ease these can be produced compared to a completely new plane. IMHO all they do is drown the game into a mire of types, and subtypes.

As for your suggestions:

B-24 Useful but low priority
B-25 Light-mid bombers are a priority but would prefer a Pe-2/Tu-2
Ju-188 An interesting type.
Catalina Not sure of the usefulness of a Flyingboat, but unique idea. Would suggest a Short Sunderland
Mossie High priority in all its roles.
Also would like to see a Beaufighter
Il-2 High Priority. Surprised if not in 1.07

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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2001, 12:32:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Karnak:
SFRT - Frenchy,

470mph.


Wohoo 470MPH!!!! Yeah baby.... heu... on the deck Karnak?
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2001, 01:33:00 AM »
Frenchy,

No, but neither can the Ta152H-1, and its a perk.  It can't do 470 until its up at 40,000ft.  If I remember correctly, the Ta152 does about 330 on the deck.

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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2001, 04:07:00 AM »
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 I would like to get more RAF,Italian and Japanese planes over US or LW.
 RAF should definitely get a later model Spit than the Mk.IX.Also Mosquito(VERY versatile) would be nice and the Beaufighter(8 x rockets + Torpedo ).
Italians have least planes with Japanese.Give them more and refine FM of Niki  What LW needs is a better medium bomber than the early Ju88A-4.
 Russians should also get more ftrs and bombers + the IL-2.
 By adding more planes to other than LW/USAF would IMO bring more balanced gameplay.Now some countries have only a very limited choice of planes.



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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2001, 04:41:00 AM »
 
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Fw-190A6/R11 < Anyone of these 3 would fill

YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!! IM NOT ALONE!!!!

I want that FW 190A-6 so much!! 4xmg151/20 and no extra armor of PzBock-A8.

If 190a6 is introduced in AH ill pay 30$ with smile.

A6!!!
A6!!!
A6!!!

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