improved cover for gv's

[Nemisis]

I was thinking that the trees should not only offer cover from a clear shot from and enemy gv but also from air. Once not to long ago I was coming to help some friendlies in the TT and I decided to flank the enemy tanks as there was a tiger or two in the mix and I was in a T34. I decided to put the town in between me and the enemy once I was clear of the town then I was in the trees and it was a good size grove. I was almost behind them when sudenly I exploded. It was either a hell of a lucky shot from a tank that for some reason fired into the forest or an aircraft. I swear on my life that I was still in cover and had been for a while, and it was not carpet bombing that killed me. So I was wondering if we could make it so aircraft cannot see you while in trees if they are thick enough on the ground or could at least get the viz range decreaced to around .5k so it would force aircraft to guess where you will be at any poing in time to set up an attack run correctly.

[BnZs]

Our trees are mostly pretty small. Not the sort of thing that would seemingly allow a multi-ton tank to disappear from the view of aircraft.

I was thinking that the trees should not only offer cover from a clear shot from and enemy gv but also from air. Once not to long ago I was coming to help some friendlies in the TT and I decided to flank the enemy tanks as there was a tiger or two in the mix and I was in a T34. I decided to put the town in between me and the enemy once I was clear of the town then I was in the trees and it was a good size grove. I was almost behind them when sudenly I exploded. It was either a hell of a lucky shot from a tank that for some reason fired into the forest or an aircraft. I swear on my life that I was still in cover and had been for a while, and it was not carpet bombing that killed me. So I was wondering if we could make it so aircraft cannot see you while in trees if they are thick enough on the ground or could at least get the viz range decreaced to around .5k so it would force aircraft to guess where you will be at any poing in time to set up an attack run correctly.

[Nemisis]

I know but like I said, it was a pretty good size grove. I am just asking for HTC to at least reduce the vis range as in real life even trees that won't make a tank "invisible" from the air will at least make it harder to spot. and it has not only happend with a tank but also with a jeep when I was doing recon recon for the armored spear head. I was suppost to let our tanks know when and if enemy planes took off, where they were headed, what type, and how many there were. I was suppost to do the same for tanks. I was watching when a fighter inbound for our tank collum veared off to the side, almost at me but not quite. I was just in front of the edge of a cliff or at least a steap hill in some trees infront of a mountian that would allow him to get behing our tanks. he acted like he was trying that but sadlly on my part (I really should have been paying closer attention I guess, but I thought I was well enough hidden.) he looked like he would just fly over me but he nosed down last minute and hit me with a rocket .  Well anyway I am kinda off topic, but I thought the plane wouldn't see me. That is just sad when an aircaft can see a jeep on the edge of normal icon range while the jeep is in a pretty thick grove of trees.

[Nemisis]

Thought I'd bring this one back from the dead.

In the new version since I got my new machine, I have seen several very thick clumps of trees. I could pull up inside of them, but only from 1 side. The trees were too close to allow me to pass through. I request that if a tank is hiding under a big enough tree, the icon range will be reduced by 1/4, if he is siting in a grove of trees, but the more common ones where you can easily drive through them, then I think it should be reduced by 1/3. As for the barns with the sides blown out, I think that if you pull inside of one then your icon range should be reduced by 1/2 to make it realistic.

[Angel666]

honestley i wld rather have the GV icons removed completley. make it re-alistic. granted this wld make bombing GV's hard as anything, it wld still be more fun.

[LLogann]

If you can see the gv behind a tree....... You can hit the gv, behind the tree.

[AKP]

Here ya go...



Tank.... what tank?

[Nemisis]

Yes LLogan, but I think it would help with lancs flying at just inside icon range, and then lancstukaing GV's. Same with stukas, and Il-2's.

And AKP, not even close... first off, no desert. Second, bigger, deciduous trees. Third, make the grouping around times that size. I just don't think its fair to have trees serve no other purpose than blocking a Gv's shot, and screening bases so you have to get close and stay in the open

[AKP]

Yes LLogan, but I think it would help with lancs flying at just inside icon range, and then lancstukaing GV's. Same with stukas, and Il-2's.

And AKP, not even close... first off, no desert. Second, bigger, deciduous trees. Third, make the grouping around times that size. I just don't think its fair to have trees serve no other purpose than blocking a Gv's shot, and screening bases so you have to get close and stay in the open

LOL... if I make the grouping bigger, they wont fit on the tank!  You need to lighten up Nemmie.

[wsveum]

I wish there was just friendly icons for everything on the ground. That planes until they leave the ground do not have icons either only friendly would have icons.

[Denholm]

...Third, make the grouping around times that size....

I can hear it now...

"WHY THE HECK ARE THERE SO MANY TREES?!"

"Gee! If you ever get into a forest, you never get out."

"What use do our forests have?"

"These trees make me mad!"

"We should start a thread in the Wishlist asking for the removal or reduction of trees."

[hitech]

Is this an improvement?



 
HiTech

[Denholm]

Well, at least our tanks won't get wet.

[Rich46yo]

What you have to do is learn the weak points of your tank that other tankers, or even more so IL2 drivers like myself, aren't allow to exploit them. The other day I was chasing a Panzer around, without much Alt, and the Panzer driver did something so simple and effective you'd probably laugh. He simply kept turning into me and driving towards the IL2.

Well I was in a low, flat flight profile and mostly saw the business end of his tank along with the part that had the best armor. I wasted 2 runs trying to get around to the weak sections in the back of the Panzer and eventually had to give up and build Alt to come down on his top. By that time friendly fighters arrived and I had my hands full and never got the Panzer. Ive seen guys pull some real slick moves in barns as well, shooting out of holes in the wall. Even parking on a rise gives your armor slope and protection. But back a tank into trees, with the rear and top covered? Your in pretty good shape then.


But most park out in the open, allow aircraft to spot them thru the insane ranges they start firing at, then just sit there waiting for the IL2 to pounce. And then come into the forum crying about icons. The other day I heard a long time player crying about the airplanes killing his GVs while they were attacking an airbase. Imagine finding airplanes at an airbase?

[stroker71]

Are you sure there wasn't an enemy tank hiding in these trees that offer no cover?  Maybe you drove right by it and didn't even know it.

DuHasst