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Offline gatt

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Drop tanks: unfair advantage?
« on: April 24, 2001, 08:30:00 AM »
We all know how most people use drop tanks in combat. They fly with 25% and drop their tanks before engaging.

As you know, a/c like Yaks, Lavochin and Macchi dont have drop tanks. They have to take off with 100% fuel and most of the times they engage with 60-70% fuel. If you dont t/o with a huge fuel load you'll often have to ditch.

Now, I know that those fighters didnt or seldom used drop tanks (recce types, like the C.205, or field modifications) ... but in AH drop tanks, IMHO, give an unfair advantage when used the way most "smart gamers" do.

What about the possibility to carry drop tanks only if you have 100% fuel in internal tanks?
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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2001, 08:48:00 AM »
Doubt it would change much, one burns internal fuel down before switching back to external.

The only unfair advantage I see is limiting ones self to one A/C type, instead of broadening ones scope.

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2001, 08:49:00 AM »
Yes the drop tanks are very important also for the strategic and tatics decision of the pilot.
The choiche of a field that give you the opportunity of climb at altitude and arrive in combat zone whit E advantage,then after the release of the DT,take your time for combat and the fuel for RTB to your field.
We,poor and outnumbered italian pilot,must leave the macchi in hangar 80% of the time
for lack of range.
This is the only sim whit italian fighters,
and is really annoying take another AC only
because we dont have DT for fly to an enemie field that is'nt very near at your base.
Recce italians planes in WW2 haved Drop tank.
After 8 september MC205 whit field modification haved DT.
Thank and sorry for my English.  

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2001, 08:49:00 AM »
gatt, my personal experience:
DT + 75% fuel.
IMO, the situation you describe (25% + DT) has sense only with P51, nikki, P47 or Ta152.

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2001, 08:53:00 AM »
I am only hoping they can rectify the problem with the introduction of the Fiat G-55 or 56 or the Reggiane 2005.  Being a german plane lover even these planes are sweet as hell looking "and performance wise" which merit introduction into AH.

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2001, 09:12:00 AM »
I fly with 100% fuel + Drop tanks gatt.

many others do too.

however i suspect most n1k2 and chog dweebs are the 25% + drop tank crowd so i kill them first  
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2001, 09:20:00 AM »
I usually fly a Jug with 75% + a drop, or 100% internal.  If I'm flying to a close furball, I may use 50% and a drop, but that's pretty rare.  On WEP the Jug sucks gas pretty quick.  25% and a drop isn't enough for more than one fight before you RTB.  It would really only be useful for point defense, and in that case you'd be choosing a different plane or just 25% with no drop tank.  I use no drop tank much of the time, simply because the tank adds drag and weight, and hurts my climb to altitude time.  I'm better off to use 75% or 100% internal and just time it right than I am to use a drop.  The only thing the drop tank gives is flexibility, so if I get engaged in combat earlier than I expected, I can punch it off and be at a reasonable fighting weight.

BTW, I don't call this an "unfair" advantage.  Planes with efficient fuel use and drop tanks should take advantage of it, just like a G-10 driver should take advantage of his great acceleration.  These are attributes of the real planes, and it's great that we have a sim that models all these variables.

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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2001, 09:33:00 AM »
I fly my Dora almsot always with 100% internal fuel, even with DT.

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2001, 09:38:00 AM »
mybe code it that ifu choose DTs it loads
100% fuel automaticly.

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Originally posted by gatt:
We all know how most people use drop tanks in combat. They fly with 25% and drop their tanks before engaging.

As you know, a/c like Yaks, Lavochin and Macchi dont have drop tanks. They have to take off with 100% fuel and most of the times they engage with 60-70% fuel. If you dont t/o with a huge fuel load you'll often have to ditch.

Now, I know that those fighters didnt or seldom used drop tanks (recce types, like the C.205, or field modifications) ... but in AH drop tanks, IMHO, give an unfair advantage when used the way most "smart gamers" do.

What about the possibility to carry drop tanks only if you have 100% fuel in internal tanks?


Offline Citabria

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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2001, 09:44:00 AM »
thats a marvelous idea whels
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2001, 09:46:00 AM »
Great idea, shouldnt be hard to do.

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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2001, 09:47:00 AM »
Flying the 1D I take 100% fuel and no DTs.  There is a trade off for using a DT and that is climbrate is affected by the drag of the tank.  I can get to alt quicker if I take a full fuel load and no external tanks vs partial load with 1 or 2 tanks.
If I fly a G10 I use 100% fuel and a DT.  I try to plan my flight to burn down to at least 75% fuel before I engage.  50% is my avg. fuel load in a fight.  Anything less than 50% and I might not make it back home  

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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2001, 12:02:00 PM »
Gatt,

I fly the Spit 9 with 75%-100% of internal fuel + droptank.  If I take less internal fuel I risk not being able to return to base after fighting.  I've taken 50% and not made it back before, so I don't do that anymore.

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2001, 12:05:00 PM »
I don't game the fuel.  You think any WW2 pilots would intentionally take off with less than full tanks?

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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2001, 12:26:00 PM »
Now now Mike, I remember us flying with tanks, but not full internal fuel load


 
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I don't game the fuel.  You think any WW2 pilots would intentionally take off with less than full tanks?