P-40D/E

[vonKrimm]

Give the P40B/E thier graphics update and add in a later war model (P40N) with both the 4 or 6 50cal gun packages and the different ord options.  Oh, but wait, since the P40x isnt a late war or uber plane like the Me262, Nik2, F6F5, or Typhoon, I doubt it will ever again see attention.  I hope I eat my words.   

F6F a LW uber plane?  F6F is available in MW, so it must be an uber-uber plane.  Why does my k/d ratio not reflect this uber-uberness in MW then? 

<hi-jacked safely negotiated to an amicable ending>

[swareiam]

P40D/E???  While I very much enjoy the challenge of flying the P40x in AH2, the addition of the P40N would go along way in beathing new life into an aircraft that rides the shortbus in the world of online flight sims.

Give the P40B/E thier graphics update and add in a later war model (P40N) with both the 4 or 6 50cal gun packages and the different ord options.  Oh, but wait, since the P40x isnt a late war or uber plane like the Me262, Nik2, F6F5, or Typhoon, I doubt it will ever again see attention.  I hope I eat my words.   

Loon,

I said the same thing until I did my homework and made a few forum post on the subject. The P-40N provides very little performance difference over the "E". I believe it was Krusty that pointed out that the "E" in this game has the best of both worlds. It mistakenly has the performance of the "N" or "L" with the long range of the "E". This was based on indicated climb & cruise speeds. So, adding any P-40 later than the "E" only gets you another fuselage and aircraft designation.

Really, all the "N" was was a striped down version of the Warhawk with two less 50 cals. and smaller fuel tanks that allowed for a cruise speed of 378 mph. Even after all of that it couldn't meet the performance of its contemporaries, i.e P-51, P-38 etc.

So, when my previous request was met with "You need to search the forums", I didn't resent the statement . I actually learned something new about my favorite mount in this game.



Cheers...

[GGhost]

For some information about the P40 history. Information from Squadron  / Signal books - PDF format. (Need Acrobat reader)

Click Here >>>History of the P40 <<< Click Here

The "F and the L" verisions has the Packard built Merlin engine - with the most speed and performance. And was also used in WWII battle.

 

[swareiam]

So some of you may know that I'm a little bit of a P-40 dweeb.  I go to meetings for it so its ok.  Anyway, I'm looking for some help.  I recently bought a USAAF P-40 pilots manual. In the last couple of pages the manual talks about two things that made me wonder if anyone else had more detailed information about.

Quoted from manual:
1)Six bombs may be carried externally, three below each wing.

I'm curious to what size bomb could be placed underneath the wing of P-40? And when can we get them?

Quoted from manual (Gunnery Equipment,P-40D only)
2) Two .50 caliber fixed machine guns are mounted in each wing panel, and fire clear of the prop arc. THey are charge by placing the control valves in the "ON" position. Should the electric hydraulic pump fail, pressure may be retained by use of the manual hand pump. Structural provisions are made for extrernal attachment of two 20mm cannon, one the bottom surface of each wing.

DOes anyone have any more info on P-40s with 20mm cannons and Hitech or Pyro, can I have a cannoned P-40! hehe

Graciously yours,
Coprhead   

Coprhead,

Salute Sir, I believe our paths have crossed in the MA in opposing P-40s before, nice work... While I was doing some research for the Dawn of Battle. I stubbled across a picture of a bomb rack under a P-40 with the configuration that you read about. They were incendiary bombs. Try a google search on P-40 Warhawk Aces of the MTO. The picture is within the preview of the book. Cool stuff...

 

[SmokinLoon]

Loon,

I said the same thing until I did my homework and made a few forum post on the subject. The P-40N provides very little performance difference over the "E". I believe it was Krusty that pointed out that the "E" in this game has the best of both worlds. It mistakenly has the performance of the "N" or "L" with the long range of the "E". This was based on indicated climb & cruise speeds. So, adding any P-40 later than the "E" only gets you another fuselage and aircraft designation.

Really, all the "N" was was a striped down version of the Warhawk with two less 50 cals. and smaller fuel tanks that allowed for a cruise speed of 378 mph. Even after all of that it couldn't meet the performance of its contemporaries, i.e P-51, P-38 etc.

So, when my previous request was met with "You need to search the forums", I didn't resent the statement . I actually learned something new about my favorite mount in this game.

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Cheers...

If they introduce the N, one could assume they'd fix they E (similar to the 109G-10 travesty perhaps?).  Hard to tell these day, I 'spose.   One of the fuel tanks was removed on the N, so the range was shorter vs the E, no doubt. 

 The N was faster at all altitudes vs the E and it also accelerated faster than the E.  Seeing as how it is not only had a more powerful motor, the frame was lighter, so could one gather that the N could turn tighter than the E as well???

Regarding the 4/.50 cal guns... the reading I've done from multiple sources say less than the first 1000 of them rolled off the production lines with only the 4 guns.  THe other 4000+ were produced with the 6/.50 cals and the earlier versions were "up-gunned" to the 6.  HTC could have both options available???

[Krusty]

Only the stripped down versions had a performance boost, as you say the "light" planes with 4 guns and lighter airframes.

However, many of the P-40Ns out there were needed for hitting ground targets, so they were strengthened, carried underwing/fuselage bombs, and had 6 guns back again, negating any real performance gains over previous versions.

It would be nice to get a "real" -E, something intermediate (F/L/M??) for ground pounding, and then a stripped down N speedster (when compared to the E that is), but that's just a general "P-40 wishlist"

[swareiam]

If they introduce the N, one could assume they'd fix they E (similar to the 109G-10 travesty perhaps?).  Hard to tell these day, I 'spose.   One of the fuel tanks was removed on the N, so the range was shorter vs the E, no doubt. 

 The N was faster at all altitudes vs the E and it also accelerated faster than the E.  Seeing as how it is not only had a more powerful motor, the frame was lighter, so could one gather that the N could turn tighter than the E as well???

Regarding the 4/.50 cal guns... the reading I've done from multiple sources say less than the first 1000 of them rolled off the production lines with only the 4 guns.  THe other 4000+ were produced with the 6/.50 cals and the earlier versions were "up-gunned" to the 6.  HTC could have both options available???

Well I have to say, that a P-40 with any better climb performance than the current "E" is a danger to my opponent. A few things a Warhawk pilot has to learn in this game is;

1. A P-40E is not going to runaway from most of the popular MA birds, that is a given. That almost requires you to keep a medium to low altitude. Just incase you need to make an NOE escape.
2. Two hundred thirty five rounds per gun means that you will learn how to use the plane as a dogfighter. Spray "N" Pray is not an option in a furball. Your gunnery skills will improve.
3. With time in bird you will come to realize that P-40E turns quite well.

So, with a hightened skill level, more aircraft performance in the "N" model (Climb and Excelleration) The Warhawk starts to enter an all new level of aggressiveness. Image that the P-40 feared and respected in the MA.

Yes, I would like to see the translation as well, lighter, faster and more horses = tighter turn radius and a rate of climb at about 2800 fpm.

I'm all for that, count me in...

[swareiam]

Only the stripped down versions had a performance boost, as you say the "light" planes with 4 guns and lighter airframes.

However, many of the P-40Ns out there were needed for hitting ground targets, so they were strengthened, carried underwing/fuselage bombs, and had 6 guns back again, negating any real performance gains over previous versions.

It would be nice to get a "real" -E, something intermediate (F/L/M??) for ground pounding, and then a stripped down N speedster (when compared to the E that is), but that's just a general "P-40 wishlist"

So, if all were properly and appropriately fixed and expanded we'd end up with the;

P-40B, "E", "L", and  "N"

How does that sound?

[Widewing]

So, if all were properly and appropriately fixed and expanded we'd end up with the;

P-40B, "E", "L", and  "N"

How does that sound?

Our P-40B isn't.... It displays P-40C performance. The B model was lighter and cleaner (lacking the external fuel tank shackles and plumbing). Our P-40E isn't.... It has WEP, the actual E model didn't have a "combat" power setting. Our E model closely resembles a P-40K.

So, there is some work to do to get the P-40s sorted out.


My regards,

Widewing

[SmokinLoon]

Well I have to say, that a P-40 with any better climb performance than the current "E" is a danger to my opponent. A few things a Warhawk pilot has to learn in this game is;

1. A P-40E is not going to runaway from most of the popular MA birds, that is a given. That almost requires you to keep a medium to low altitude. Just incase you need to make an NOE escape.
2. Two hundred thirty five rounds per gun means that you will learn how to use the plane as a dogfighter. Spray "N" Pray is not an option in a furball. Your gunnery skills will improve.
3. With time in bird you will come to realize that P-40E turns quite well.

So, with a hightened skill level, more aircraft performance in the "N" model (Climb and Excelleration) The Warhawk starts to enter an all new level of aggressiveness. Image that the P-40 feared and respected in the MA.

Yes, I would like to see the translation as well, lighter, faster and more horses = tighter turn radius and a rate of climb at about 2800 fpm.

I'm all for that, count me in...

I like starting at 15,000ft in the P40E for dogfighting, it sprints average, turns well at high speeds (and good at low speeds, too.  1 notch flaps are a MUST), and can roll just as good or better than everything but the 190's and Spit16.  I'm not sure I've ever tried to "escape" in NOE form, though.  As stated, the guns have short belts and landing the hits is more important than other 6/.50 cal fighters.

It never fails though, I take up the 'ol Warhawk and the first fighter I see is usually a friggin Spit16, La7, George, or other such uber-noob fighter.  I enjoy taking on the P51's, though.  The ground is much more even in a dogfight.  Speed is obviously on the side of the pony... but all else is a much closer roll of the dice.   

[froger]

So some of you may know that I'm a little bit of a P-40 dweeb.  I go to meetings for it so its ok.  Anyway, I'm looking for some help.  I recently bought a USAAF P-40 pilots manual. In the last couple of pages the manual talks about two things that made me wonder if anyone else had more detailed information about.

Quoted from manual:
1)Six bombs may be carried externally, three below each wing.

I'm curious to what size bomb could be placed underneath the wing of P-40? And when can we get them?

Quoted from manual (Gunnery Equipment,P-40D only)
2) Two .50 caliber fixed machine guns are mounted in each wing panel, and fire clear of the prop arc. THey are charge by placing the control valves in the "ON" position. Should the electric hydraulic pump fail, pressure may be retained by use of the manual hand pump. Structural provisions are made for extrernal attachment of two 20mm cannon, one the bottom surface of each wing.

DOes anyone have any more info on P-40s with 20mm cannons and Hitech or Pyro, can I have a cannoned P-40! hehe

Graciously yours,
Coprhead   



<------P 40 dweeb

I want the one with the gondolla cannons please 

[AKP]

Im sure this is posted somewhere on these forums... but this is where it belongs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40t6ys8pgNo

And a perfect example of why you shouldnt full size your clipboard in flight...

[Noir]

Fear ? P40's ? LOOOL

[AKP]

Personally, I give pilots who fly the P40 a lot of respect... and I never underestimate them.  Yea, there are planes that are faster, can turn better, and have a couple more guns...  but in the right hands, a P40 can really ruin your day.

[5PointOh]

For me it's a blast flying the P-40.  Most don't respect the capabilites of the plane.  I find often its like flying a big target, personally I also think that flying the P-40 has improved my aiming, and SA. Im an arena full of Spits, 51s, and LAs it fun to be the underdog.

Redtail, I remember many P-40 vs P-40 engagements with you.  <S> Excellent time sir.  If I'm in a P-40 and I see another P-40 thats my target. Usually to only have an LA7 or Spit16 to also jump in. But I respect all that dare to take it up in a arena full of ENY 5 planes.