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Offline juzz

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Why the "uberplanes"?
« on: February 15, 2000, 08:48:00 AM »
Seems some/most have an (unhealthy  ) desire to get their mitts on them "last days of WW2/never saw combat/only a handful did, etc...", "uberplanes". By my reckoning, the majority are just developments of existing planes.

P-47M = P-47D
F4U-4 = F4U-1
Ta-152 = Fw190D-9
Etc.

*Yawn!*

Would it not be nicer to have totally new types, "never-seen-before" and from the other "end" of the war?

I-16 - Some models had two ShVAK cannons!
D.520 - French! And used by both Axis/Allied forces.
CR.42 - Two wings!  
Gladiator - A "partner" for the Falco.

Hmmm?

Offline Kieren

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2000, 09:20:00 AM »
I would like to see any and all planes possible, late, early, mid, pre, whatever!

Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2000, 12:04:00 PM »
I think it all boils down to the normal human desire for bigger, better, MORE !! Higher speeds, faster climbs, and more cannons, its a natural progression.

And the "uberplanes" as you call them are the pinnacle of developement of the planes most of us were weaned on, from birth.  These are the planes that "won the war" or "almost turned the tide" depending on your perspective.

For instance my father was in the AirForce as a Navigator. I practically grew up on a base that has a P-51D sitting right by the front gate, so it means alot to me. FYI my unit (I joined it when I was old enought) was one of the last units (maybe the last) to actively fly the P-51 for the USA (WV ANG, 130th TAC Airlift Wing now).

To be honest, very few people identify with those early war birds.

However I can understand the desire for them since they are different from what you are use too.

But lets be honest? Do you expect HTC to go from mostly Latewar planes to early war planes? In my opinon thats not likely since this is the "niche" (uber/rare planes) that they have gone for to distinguish themselves from the other sims, just like WWIIOnline has gone initially for the "total war/early war niche".

My feelings are that, given the initial track of developement, HTC should fill out the late war set entirely, and then start working their way back. And fill in the set.

Realistically, until we get to scenario's or some sort of rolling plane set, the early war birds just won't get flown.

How many people fly the 109F now? And how many will fly the Spit V or C.202? Not very many would be my bet. And compared to these "very early" planes, the 109F, Spit V, and C.202 are all "uberplanes". Its all a matter of perspective.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2000, 01:53:00 PM »
Here's how ya make a plane set:

If you wanna make money and are based in the US, you do the P-51D and F4U.

You choose all the other planes to be able to compete with these two.

Offline Minotaur

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2000, 02:01:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by funked:
Here's how ya make a plane set:

If you wanna make money and are based in the US, you do the P-51D and F4U.

You choose all the other planes to be able to compete with these two.

Hehe    Good one!

I am assuming that you are or have been involved in the production of an online multiplayer WW2 simulation.  <S>

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Offline Toad

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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2000, 02:20:00 PM »
..or maybe it's because most of the people who have migrated here fully learned the alt=life lesson in other online sims.

So..if you want to live and you want fast action then you want better climbing aircraft.

Just a thought.
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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2000, 02:33:00 PM »
Why D-9, its already done in too many games  
We need something new, aka D-12 or D-13.

Also, Ta-152 wouldn't be for bad either, i havent ever flown one, luftwaffe has had no real uber planes ever in flight sims, not before allies has had one. (funny, but they do often also mess up FMs with those LW planes, usually by the bad way, allies, most often its positive mess up)

F4u-4 has seen the delight alright in games, but ta-152 or later doras still missing  

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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2000, 02:48:00 PM »
How many waterborne aircraft are there in other sims?  For the allied side why not a Marlin or Mars?  would make a new addition to the bomber ranks.  Think it would make for something new once CV's arrive and a PTO terrian is added <G>  


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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2000, 03:24:00 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2000, 05:49:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by juzz:
Seems some/most have an (unhealthy   ) desire to get their mitts on them "last days of WW2/never saw combat/only a handful did, etc...", "uberplanes". ...

Hmmm?
Not me. I want to get my mits on the good old fashioned Warhawk type P-40.  Gimme one with four 50's and another for standby with six 50's please.  


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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2000, 05:52:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Rocket:
How many waterborne aircraft are there in other sims?  For the allied side why not a Marlin or Mars?  ...  
Rocket

Or the Catalina PBY?  Works on land and sea.  She carried torps, bombs, depth charges and a couple of nifty 50's crew served.  Ain't EVER seen that modeled anywhere.

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Offline BBGunn

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2000, 07:32:00 PM »
I think flight simmers these days are more knowledgable about WW2 AC types than they were even two years ago.  It is true that a lot of folks in the US are drawn to horsepower and speed but there are more and more of us that feel there is more to a sim than having the most powerful/fastest plane.   I see more comments about correct flight and weapon modeling than I used to.   Whether the developers take us seriously is another question.   I have always felt that the P51, P38 and F4U have been used too much because the developers believe that the gamers only know these planes.  Things change.  I think a lot of us could have a great time just flying 109E's against Spit I's in a decent scenario.   Maybe Westy's got the right idea- beer and sandwich- I don't think anyone listens to us anyway.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2000, 08:07:00 PM »
Mino I know NAAAAAAAAATHING!

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2000, 09:35:00 PM »
<gack!>
That's cheese and crackers BBGun. To go with that whine...lol...

Hmmmm. Beer and a sandwich sounds better though!  

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