Tiger II

[Rendar]

Any thoughts of adding this monster?  It could count as "uber", and use the perk system.  But then, it's slow and burns fuel like a leaky Yak (500 l / 100 km).  The T-34/85 would make a nice competitor.

   

 

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Rendar

[This message has been edited by Rendar (edited 07-02-2000).]

[Kieren]

With the exception of Scenarios, I say "great". This would be a scary thing to face in a field attack.

Of course, I also want my Il-2 introduced at the same time...  

[Jigster]

Prolly going to need more then a IL-2 to kill it  

It was known for deflecting the massive AP shells from the IS-2's 122mm gun  

And with the gun's leathal range up to four miles, eek.

Bring on the shaped charges!

- Jig

[flakbait]

Specs for the Panzer VI Model B King Tiger as taken from German Tanks of WW2:

General
Vehicle type: heavy tank
Entered service: early 1944
Crew: 5
Combat weight: 68.3 tons

Dimensions
Overall length: 33 ft 8in
Hull length: 23 ft 10in
Width: 12 ft 4in
Height: 10 ft 2in

Armament
Main: 8.8 cm [3.5in] KwK 43/3 L/71 gun
Secondary: 2 x 7.92mm MG-34;
one coaxial fitting, one hull front. Fitting for anti-aircraft MG-34 on roof; smoke dischargers

Ammunition stowage
Main: 84 rounds
Secondary: 5850 rounds

Armor
Hull front: 3.9in@40º
Hull front (driver's plate): 5.9in@40º
Hull sides: 3.2in@65-90º
Hull rear: 3.2in@60º
Turret front: 7.3in@80º
Turret sides: 3.2in@69º
Turret rear: 3.2in@70º
Turret roof: 1.7@0-10º

Motive power
Engine: Maybach HL 230 P30 V-12
Power: 700 bhp
Fuel capacity: 189 gallons

Performance
Max. road speed: 24 mph
Max. cross-country speed: 10.5 mph
Range (road): 68 miles
Range (country): 53 miles


Anything else?


Flakbait

[Rendar]

From Achtung Panzer!:

Specifications Tiger II Ausf. B
Weight: 68000kg
Crew: 5 men
Engine: Maybach HL 230 P 30 / 12 cylinder /   700hp
Speed: Road: 35-38km/h
Cross-Country: 17km/h
Range: Road: 170-120km
Cross-Country: 80km
Fuel Capacity: 860 litres
Length: 7.26m (w/o the gun)
        10.28m (with the gun)
Width: 3.65m (w/o aprons)
       3.75m (with aprons)
Height: 3.09m
Armament: 88mm KwK 43 L/71 & 3 x 7.92mm MG34/42
   (1 x MG - hull)
   (1 x MG - coaxial)
   (1 x MG - cupola)
Ammo: 88mm - 80 (Porsche) / 86 (Krupp) rounds
      7.92mm - 5850 rounds
Armor: 40-180mm

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Rendar

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[Rendar]

It was known for often deflecting rounds:

"One day a Tiger Royal tank got within 150 yards of my tank and knocked me out. Five of our tanks opened up on him from ranges of 200 to 600 yards and got five or six hits on the front of the Tiger. They all just glanced off and the Tiger backed off and got away. If we had a tank like Tiger, we would all be home today." - Report by tank commander Sergeant Clyde D. Brunson from 2nd Armored Division, 1945.


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Rendar

[B-Town]

I have enough trouble geting the panzer to fields going at it's speed. So how the heck you are going to move that darn thing around is beyond me.

You know what we need?
ROADS

[Rendar]

I think Pyro said that AH would have roads in the near future, but I'm not sure.  Roads would probably be in the same release that will include naval units.

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Rendar

[Karnak]

Hispano 20mm cannons could kill a Tiger II through the roof.  

Sisu
-Karnak

[mx22]

B-Town is right,

As of now, tanks are moving fast enough as they would have been on roads. Tiger II would be just too slow.
I'll say model either Panther or T-34/85 first. Acctually T-34/85 would be a nice addition now, as it stands up good to PanzerIV.
But then again, who cares what I say - I don't drive tanks anyhow

mx22

[fdiron]

Now I'm not usually a gambling man, but I would be willing to bet *1 million dollars* that a hispano 20mm cannon couldnt pierce the top armor of the Tiger II's turret.  I've seen one in real life, and due to the construction method of the Tiger II, u can see the varying armor thicknesses all over the tank, which I think is very neat.  Even the roof armor on the tiger is thick.  

[Jack55]

More medium tanks first please.  T-34, M-4, Cromwell,etc.  Save the heavies for later.  I'd rather see an IS-3 for the first heavy tank.  I believe it had some combat with Japan before V-J day, and I bet it has never been modeled in a sim before either.

[Karnak]

I don't know about the turret, but the rear deck wasn't very thick.  I'll see if I can dig the numbers up, but I seem to recall 13mm or 17mm of armor.

My, I sure can't type today.

Sisu
-Karnak

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[Rendar]

The Tiger II has a maximum road speed of 24 mph.  That is not much slower than the IV H that we have now.

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Rendar

[Jigster]

There is very little of the roof that is not covered by the turrent on the Tiger II. And the General design of the whole tanks makes strafing it futile at best; any shots would be oblique unless diving near straight down.
40mm of armor for a roof, even if it has no slope.

And the top road speed was rarely used due to engine strain, and the difficulty of replacing a thrown track on that thing. And to even get that speed it had to be a VERY good road. Moving a TigerII down a dirt road after a rain was very difficult because it was so easy to bog down.

Also keep in mind the Tiger II's engine had a rather poor cooling, and it was very bad about over heating when running under off-road strain or higher RPM ranges when moving down the road.

Intended as a massive offensive weapon it's real role became defensive because of size and weight, but it did it well and would probably serve the same role in AH.

- Jig