wacky idea to game with 2 monitors....

[MrRiplEy[H]]

In order to have a 3D effect it can't be the same image on both monitors though, they'd need to have seperate viewpoints.  Do the drivers and AH2 support that?

Nvidia 3D drivers give a native stereo support for nvidia cards meaning AH2 works as well as any 3D application. Ati users are out of luck though.

[BoilerDown]

I just read some of the links... looks pretty cool.  Fortunately I don't have a true 120 Hz monitor or I'd be seriously tempted by those Nvidia 3d glasses.

[Krusty]

Trying to build that giant, clunky, dangerously top-heavy rig, just to try to replicate a hologram, IMO isn't an ideal gaming setup.

Not to mention I've never been a fan of "3D" because all you ever see is 2D, regardless of how those 2D pixels are seen by the eye. Meaning the game doesn't code in depth perception, focal blurring, different levels of focus, so nothing any nvidia drivers do can really make it "3D" -- it's just another form of 2D in my opinion.

As for opening up LCD frames, I don't want to 1) risk destroying the monitors themselves, 2) run into problems where there are wires/etc on the side of the frame (for example both monitors I have now have a power button sticking well past the edge of the LCD area, so I would lose the option of turning my monitors on or off if I wanted to), plus if I did anything wrong I could not reverse the issue (I'd be out many hundreds of $$ and no monitors).

My idea was... I guess.... more of an add-on than a total makeover. Meant not to damage the existing gear. I guess I'm conservative that way.

[BaldEagl]

Who knew that Krusty of all people was a closet genius?   

[Vulcan]

Nvidia 3D drivers give a native stereo support for nvidia cards meaning AH2 works as well as any 3D application. Ati users are out of luck though.

IZ3D do 3D drivers for ATI.

And boilerdown I play AH exclusively in Stereo 3D. It rocks.

[Vulcan]

Not to mention I've never been a fan of "3D" because all you ever see is 2D, regardless of how those 2D pixels are seen by the eye. Meaning the game doesn't code in depth perception, focal blurring, different levels of focus, so nothing any nvidia drivers do can really make it "3D" -- it's just another form of 2D in my opinion.

Bollocks. Depth perception is a combination of many things including stereoscopic vision. The other stuff is visual clues such as texture regression, vanishing points etc. Focal blurring and focus are not functions of stereoscopic vision, they are eye functions. AH looks great in 3D and you can achieve so much more with a far more immersive experience. Going to non-stereo3d is like going from a colour tv to a black and white.

Let me ask you, what 3D devices have you tried AH with?

[715]

Can you describe what 3D gives to AH?  If you're flying isn't everything so far away that there is no depth to it?  Does a target at 400 yds really give you any depth cues?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I just read some of the links... looks pretty cool.  Fortunately I don't have a true 120 Hz monitor or I'd be seriously tempted by those Nvidia 3d glasses.

The planar mirror setup doesn't require anything but regular monitors because the glasses used are polarized glasses meaning they do not flicker like shutter glasses.

It's like watching one regular monitor except your other eye sees only the image from the other monitor and vice versa. The nvidia 3D solution you're referring to works only with one monitor and that has to work at double refresh rate to be able to give both eyes the 60hz refresh. The planar stereomirror setup is MUCH more pleasant to watch as there is zero flickering just like watching a regular LCD monitor. The glasses needed cost 6 bucks - not exactly an investment. They don't even need a battery or a cable since it's just like sunglasses with reverse polarization.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Trying to build that giant, clunky, dangerously top-heavy rig, just to try to replicate a hologram, IMO isn't an ideal gaming setup.

Not to mention I've never been a fan of "3D" because all you ever see is 2D, regardless of how those 2D pixels are seen by the eye. Meaning the game doesn't code in depth perception, focal blurring, different levels of focus, so nothing any nvidia drivers do can really make it "3D" -- it's just another form of 2D in my opinion.

As for opening up LCD frames, I don't want to 1) risk destroying the monitors themselves, 2) run into problems where there are wires/etc on the side of the frame (for example both monitors I have now have a power button sticking well past the edge of the LCD area, so I would lose the option of turning my monitors on or off if I wanted to), plus if I did anything wrong I could not reverse the issue (I'd be out many hundreds of $$ and no monitors).

My idea was... I guess.... more of an add-on than a total makeover. Meant not to damage the existing gear. I guess I'm conservative that way.

This shows you never saw a working 3D display. When you see one you'll eat your words.

And by the way this planar mirror setup does _not_ require you to dismantle your monitor in any way. You just get two suitable screen and angle them up with the glass.

[Krusty]

2 different topics there, ripley. Taking apart monitors in response to removing the frame between 2 monitors side-by-side.


And no, I won't be eating my words. I've seen similar effects. Hell even arcade games at Chuck E Cheese can replicate it. It's simulating a hologram (image floating in air) but it's not simulating actual depth. To do that would require HTC to produce the visual hardware we all use and code specifically to use that hardware in such a way that both code and image utilize the full potential of it.

The end result is a 2D game (Aces High) that can only ever be 2D (it spits out flat pixels), and even if you present them "floating" (which I never said was uncool), they're still not "3D" -- which is much more involved.

Personally, I wouldn't want to use a clunky, heavy, setup like that that uses 2x as much hardware (2 monitors) and still only presents 1 image. That's why I wanted to be able to game with 2 monitors, to get widescreen performance. No offense to you, but that's not what I was looking for.

[Vulcan]

And no, I won't be eating my words. I've seen similar effects. Hell even arcade games at Chuck E Cheese can replicate it. It's simulating a hologram (image floating in air) but it's not simulating actual depth. To do that would require HTC to produce the visual hardware we all use and code specifically to use that hardware in such a way that both code and image utilize the full potential of it.

The end result is a 2D game (Aces High) that can only ever be 2D (it spits out flat pixels), and even if you present them "floating" (which I never said was uncool), they're still not "3D" -- which is much more involved.

Sorry but you will be. Nvidia have been shipping 3D Stereo drivers for a long time now, most Nvidia cards are capable of rendering in Stereo 3D ***as are most directx games***. The 3D you can experience is AH is nothing like a hologram or that kind of technology, that really shows your lack of understanding on this subject krusty.

Answer my question, what 3D devices have you used with AH?

I think the answer is NONE. So someone (you krusty) with a lack of technological understanding on the subject and no experience is trying to tell someone with a good understand of the technology who uses it on a daily basis (me) that they're opinion is wrong?

[Vulcan]

Can you describe what 3D gives to AH?  If you're flying isn't everything so far away that there is no depth to it?  Does a target at 400 yds really give you any depth cues?

You get a feeling of depth. I'd say it kicks in at around 1000 yards. When you're flying low you notice the ground a lot more. When you're in a knife fight (close in) you really get a much better feeling of relative motion to the other guy - your brain seems to perceive where he's going or will be a lot better. The feeling of speed and relative motion to the ground is more prominent as well. Like landing on a CV, you have a better feeling of where the deck is under you as you come in to land.

The immersion is noticeable as well, in the cockpit things really stand out - in fact I hate flying the old 2D style cockpits (like on the typhoon) because it feels wrong compared to the newer 3D cockpits.

You really need to find someone with a decent 3D setup and experience it.

[Krusty]

Spin it all you want Vulcan, I've explained my wants and needs in this thread, and you haven't changed any of that with the side-track topic.

[Vulcan]

Spin it all you want Vulcan, I've explained my wants and needs in this thread, and you haven't changed any of that with the side-track topic.

You expressed your opinions, which were factually incorrect, I corrected that - and that's all I intended to do.

[palef]

NEC do multiple screens in a single casing for display monitors. Buy one of them instead.