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Offline Jigster

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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2001, 08:19:00 PM »
The fact remains that the N1K2's flap system has never been modeled right in AH.

Unlike the US planes, where the combat flaps are engaged before executing the maneuver, the system on the N1K2-J requires the maneuver to start before they deploy.

The result comes with mediocre high speed manuvering until the flaps deploy; the basic wing shape, and dimensions is nearly identical to the A6M5, with quite a bit more weight and the horizontal stabilizer and elevators are the same.

Also unlike any other plane with manual flaps, the deployment is of course, uncontrolable due to the remote location of the system. Much like the 109's slats. They cannot be raised in slow flight to decrease drag and increase acceleration. It does have a few functions that prevents full-time deployment under a certain speed; angle of attack via the mercury tube is taken into account, so that if the pilot leveled out, the flaps would retract.

At present, the varying degrees of deflection of flaps as the N1K2 changes angle of attack and speed don't seem to be taken into account -- while the inital deflection doesn't create much drag, the others, like all other planes, creates a considerable amount of drag.

It should be experiencing a tremendous energy bleed off after maintaining and high G turn as the flaps deploy... acceleration should be even worse afterwards if the pilot does not maintain the envelope on which the flaps retract.


Anyways, the automatic system is rather complex and there isn't a terrible amount of information on how the whole system works, probably explaining why it was never included. However, make no mistake, it isn't modeled historically in that respect.

The best possible solution to it at present would to just make them manual to simulate deployment delay, drag, and other factors in the simplest and easiest way possible.

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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2001, 08:52:00 PM »
HTC needs to remove the autoflap Flight modeling and just use manual flaps until they create an autoflaps function that actually uses the flaps.

as is n1k2 turns on dime without player operating the flaps and when flaps are lowered it turns on the head of a pin.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2001, 09:04:00 PM »
Hmmm I didnt hear even this vital part of the Niki model was screwed up. All in all it certainly seems this is the poorest done AC in AH. The results of these mistakes are obvious... HTC plese give this one a month or two in the shop and fix it.

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2001, 12:05:00 AM »
 
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It accelerates like a 109G10 and climbs with it, being 1000lbs heavierr.

Something stinks... Oh, that would be the roadkill!

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2001, 12:32:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by juzz:
Something stinks... Oh, that would be the roadkill!


Well it's partially true. The N1K2 will acclerate with it under 200 mph, and if they both start out at the N1K2's top speed it would easily stay for about 3000-4000 feet without much trouble with it's E retention and power loading...



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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2001, 12:43:00 AM »
Niki is a nice power off glider, will keep 200mph on the deck for a long time with the engine out/destroyed. Very nice glider no doubt.

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2001, 01:03:00 AM »
I too wish to see the flaps in the N1K become truly automatic.  I think this would cure the problem of 180-degree supertight turns with minimal E-bleed.

If the N1K were to be perked, it would have to be a cheap perk, maybe 2-3 points tops, if that.  Most perk planes will probably be BnZ types; the N1K is anything but, and hence isn't survivable as most perk planes are.  Then again, I personally see no need to perk this plane at all.

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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2001, 01:55:00 AM »
 Well Now i think maby this may help to provide some answers....BTW if u can't read it i will tyype what it says for u all...

   


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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2001, 06:59:00 AM »
Brady check your e-mail.

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2001, 02:00:00 PM »
Somebody should check the Fw 190 stall model too.  Stall behavior should be ferocious, but in AH it is childishly easy to fly.  Reminds me more of Falcon 4 than a WWII plane.  My conscience just won't let me fly it anymore.  

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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2001, 02:46:00 PM »
Yes Funked also you failed to mention the Typh at high speed has an awesome roll rate which in RL it did not enjoy and in AH the 190 has less more than 18 degrees sec cut away from roll performance according to NACA tests that should also be corrected in the AH FM. Also they should model engine performance under  Gs especially the Spitfire which under negative Gs it had a nasty tendency of starving the carburetor  

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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2001, 03:10:00 PM »
Glasses,
I'm sure they will model the fuel starvation under negative Gs when they model a Spitfire, Hurricane or A6M that suffered from it.  But until the Spitfire MkI, Spitfire MkII, Hurricane MkI or A6M2 make their appearance in AH, you shouldn't be asking for it.

You are right about the Tiffie's roll rate though.

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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2001, 04:16:00 PM »
it is my understanding that the Spitfire V had the negative G engine cut problem too

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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2001, 04:28:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by R4M:
it is my understanding that the Spitfire V had the negative G engine cut problem too

It took less than ten minutes replace the old carb bowls with the adapted ones with the washer that prevented the bowl from draining and/or prevent the lack of pressure that kept carb draft from drawing the fuel out as normal.

Only difference with the Spit V would be it could only run for 20-40 seconds before the bowl drained.

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« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2001, 04:45:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Glasses:
Yes Funked also you failed to mention the Typh at high speed has an awesome roll rate which in RL it did not enjoy and in AH the 190 has less more than 18 degrees sec cut away from roll performance according to NACA tests that should also be corrected in the AH FM. Also they should model engine performance under  Gs especially the Spitfire which under negative Gs it had a nasty tendency of starving the carburetor  


wrong about the "nasty tendency of starving the carburetor" very early spits had this problem however it was rectified and was not a problem as early as 1940...
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