AMD dual or Intel dual

[Dimebag]

which would you pick and why, or does it even matter

[Skuzzy]

Intel

1)  Cost/performance ratio is better.  Remember, Intel's current dual-core CPU's run faster per clock than AMD does.
2)  There is a bug in the AMD dual-core CPU's we happen to hit.  Purportedly, it has been fixed in the current generation parts, but we have limited confirmation on that still.

[Scratchman]

Intel

1)  Cost/performance ratio is better.  Remember, Intel's current dual-core CPU's run faster per clock than AMD does.
2)  There is a bug in the AMD dual-core CPU's we happen to hit.  Purportedly, it has been fixed in the current generation parts, but we have limited confirmation on that still.

Definitely Intel, I have an AMD Dual Core, and the current drivers does not fix the hits you take when playing AH, ( only running in Windows 98 compatibility mode ), allows me to play at all.

[Dimebag]

Sweet, Intel it is   Thanks

[TequilaChaser]

Definitely Intel, I have an AMD Dual Core, and the current drivers does not fix the hits you take when playing AH, ( only running in Windows 98 compatibility mode ), allows me to play at all.

what "hits" do you speak of that the current drivers of an AMD Dual Core, cause you?

I am using an AMD 6400 x2 3.2 gig dual core cpu and I suffer none of these.......

running it in WinXPpro 32 bit OS, I use AMD optimizer patch....and have zero problems, I experience no "hits" you speak of and I do not run it in any special compatibility mode

running it under Windows7RC 64 bit OS it runs perfectly without any special patches or special drivers..... the game is flawless currently .......

I have no arguement in regards to Skuzzy's post...people report Intel is faster and cooler....I simply think from experience that in the real world it all depends on what crap (software, bloatware, processes running )you have installed and how well your PC is built/put together.....

edit: I will say though, that my "built by myself" PC is perty dang fast and substantually cool........even though it is noted as a 125w Processor  AM2

[Dimebag]

Im gonna hijack my own thread for a sec...

Does it matter what name brand computer?   Is one better than another if the processor and vid cards are the same?

[Anodizer]

Im gonna hijack my own thread for a sec...

Does it matter what name brand computer?   Is one better than another if the processor and vid cards are the same?

It's always better to build your own...  Factory built systems are overpriced..  And the cheaper ones are junk using junk components..
They are basically throw away systems..  For something decent that is factory built, your are looking at well over $1000.00 or you could build
your own (or have one built) for approximately half of that.. 

What you get when you by a factory built system is computer that is usually of poor quality (unless you pay for something better) with a lot
of useless software (that you pay for) that you will never ever use...  You will not receive any kind of OS discs, yet you'll have a "restore" partition
that more or less puts the system back to how it was the day you bought it..  Along with this restore, you get all those useless programs that even if you
uninstall, they still clog up your registry.. 

Talk to Till Death..  I hear be builds some good stuff..  Or, learn to do it yourself.. 

[TequilaChaser]

Im gonna hijack my own thread for a sec...

Does it matter what name brand computer?   Is one better than another if the processor and vid cards are the same?

2nd what Anodizer posted........also you should be looking at more than just the Processor and video card  here is a small list of things to consider overall......

• Case & fans & cooling ability
• Motherboard brand & features (inculding warranty)
• Processor & cooling fan/heatsink ( including warranty
• Power Supply Unit ( & warranty)
• VideoCard, cooling fan & memory type/amount of vidram( & warranty)
• Memory type & Brand & quantity -ie how many gigs refer to your OS requirements/game requirements(including warranty)
• Research thoroughly whether you buy prebuilt or build yourself or use someone like TilDeath
• I stress Research, research, research.........and asking alot of questions....and don't forget about PC Parts warrantys

try to allow for room for upgrades whether it be OS upgrade or pc parts upgrade.........

hope this helps..........

[zack1234]

my dual amd 64bit pc runs ok

[Skuzzy]

TC, the AMD optimizer patch does not fix all dual-core AMD CPU's.  Do not ask me why, as I have not been able to research it enough to have a factual answer.

If you have Vista loaded, you have to run the game in "compatibility" mode to get around the bug as there is no patch for Vista/Windows 7, and there never will be.

And again, it has been reported the latest generation of AMD dual-core CPU's have the bug fixed.  We just do not have a good enough sample size yet to make that statement with 100% confidence.

[TequilaChaser]

TC, the AMD optimizer patch does not fix all dual-core AMD CPU's.  Do not ask me why, as I have not been able to research it enough to have a factual answer.

If you have Vista loaded, you have to run the game in "compatibility" mode to get around the bug as there is no patch for Vista/Windows 7, and there never will be.

And again, it has been reported the latest generation of AMD dual-core CPU's have the bug fixed.  We just do not have a good enough sample size yet to make that statement with 100% confidence.

Yes Sir, Skuzzy. I thought /wondered what OS he might be using since he did not mention it......

I did not know that about the Optimizer patch not working for all Dual Cores.  However in regards to Windows 7 RC, I have not seen anyone in AcesHigh report they had troubles getting AH2 to run on their Dual Core AMDs......unlike Vista users having to use a compatibility mode.

I have been skimming the threads waiting to see anyone to post in regards to Windows7 32 bit OS using dualcore AMD processor....... I know their are several of us who are using the 64 Bit version of Win7RC and are doing ok.....

also, none of us have mentioned the Microsoft hotfix.that is reported in the stickyed post at the top of this forum....

thanks for the Headsup Skuzzy

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I found out that my E8500 + Gigabyte EP35DS4 board gets the spinning clipboard bug with XP if I enable the high precision timer in bios. With it disabled no spins.

[Skuzzy]

Thats pretty cool Ripley.

[BaldEagl]

Im gonna hijack my own thread for a sec...

Does it matter what name brand computer?   Is one better than another if the processor and vid cards are the same?

The problem with a name brand computer is that when it comes time to upgrade they make it very difficult.  The PSU's are just enough to power what's inside, the motherboard restricts options and they may use proprietary sizes or connectors.  They are designed so that what you buy is what you get and when it's time to upgrade you toss that system aside and buy a new one.

If you can plug parts together you can build your own system.  You need the following parts:

Case, pocessor, motherboard, RAM, power supply, video card, hard drive, optical drive, operating system and possibly a sound card, floppy drive and/or aftermarket CPU fan/heatsink (only if you want to overclock the CPU).

Assembly takes about 3 hours for a first timer or someone who wants to do a good job of cable management inside the case.  Operating system install, programs installed and data transfer will take about another 3-5 hours depending on how much you have.

All parts are available on-line at newegg.com and tigerdirect.com.  In the end you'll have a better system at a lower price which will be easier to upgrade when the time comes and when it does you'll know exactly what you need to do to get more out of it.

[Getback]

TC, the AMD optimizer patch does not fix all dual-core AMD CPU's.  Do not ask me why, as I have not been able to research it enough to have a factual answer.

If you have Vista loaded, you have to run the game in "compatibility" mode to get around the bug as there is no patch for Vista/Windows 7, and there never will be.

And again, it has been reported the latest generation of AMD dual-core CPU's have the bug fixed.  We just do not have a good enough sample size yet to make that statement with 100% confidence.

I can validate this! Sure didn't fix my issue.