Can this maneuver be pulled off in AH?

[mechanic]

The animations are terrible on that show. Hitech gives us a more real feeling of flight here. I think they just made a bad interpretation of the move from the guys account. The move is very difficult but also very easy to get close to. It is a forced stall turn by bleeding all speed in the pull up. The 109 just watches him and flies past underneath. The stall turn would be fast and controlled enough to bring the nose down on target for a snapshot. This relies completely on the 109 practicaly flying past straight and level at full speed. It's a sloppy move in AH, most of the time. Unlikely to make a good killshot oppertunity with 50 cals. I will look for a film to show this move in AH.

[jdbecks]

sounds very similiar to this manover, just instead of pulling up he dives,

As the fighter approached, Hartmann
used his rudder to point his fighter in a slightly different direction from the
way it was going, to mislead the attacker into misjudge the amount of
deflection required. When his attacker opened fire, Hartmann slammed the
stick in the far corner of the cockpit, putting his Messerschmitt into the first
half of an oblique loop. In his words: "Fly quickly straight ahead and push
the rudder so you fly straight ahead skid that will not be recognized by the
attacker. IF he opens fire, you push for negative G's down left or right, not
forgetting through the whole maneuver to push the rudder. Your attacker
will hang with negative G's in his belt, unable to pull the trigger. With that
maneuver, I saved my life several times."

[dtango]

My $.02

1) This topic surfaces every so often when someone who hasn't seen that Dogfight episode brings it up.  By his description Candelaria pulled off an amazing move in real life! 

However, whether the Dogfights CGI accurately depicts what happened is totally debatable.  I personally wouldn't put too much stock into the CGI depiction.

2) Post stall maneuvers can be done in real life.  Most commonly today Aerobatic pilots dazzle air show attenders every year with a repertoire of incredible post stall maneuvers.  For instance there are the lomcevak family of maneuvers like the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skfprThzUq4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SrF5On5xIk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZxXihk7-0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPM8qveStJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1GVpyHYwtM&feature=related (Sean Tucker)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpwDrBieXC4&feature=related (40 second mark - Victor Smolin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOHSUvGb93E&feature=related (Svetlana Kapanina)

3) Are we able to do post stall maneuvers in AH?  Since AH models real world physics the answer of course is yes.  Here is an example of a P-51D lomcevak that I call the "flat plate" done in AH that's been discussed in the past (usually in association with Candelaria's maneuver).  And yes it's repeatable .  As with real lomcevak's it's actually a precision maneuver that requires precise controls for entry, control, and exit.

4) As to the usefulness of such maneuvers, I would characterize post stall maneuvers like the "flat plate" a last ditch maneuver.  Former fighter pilot Andy Bush touched on the concept of "last ditch maneuvers" in a article at SimHQ.  Quoting Andy:

Last Ditch Maneuvers. Sometimes nothing you do works. Sometimes the bandit is the Red Baron and nothing will shake him off your tail. Sometimes you are going to have to throw caution to the winds and bet it all on one last attempt to save your skin. This is known as the Last Ditch Maneuver. Last ditch maneuvers are maneuvering techniques that attempt to force an abrupt role reversal through a severe change in closure and/or angle off. In real life, they typically rely on the extreme negative effect on airspeed that high angle of attack (AOA) maneuvers have. But what works in real life may not work in the sim...and too often this is the case. But, as sim flight models become more like the real world, you may find that you can employ these techniques against your opponent.

He further gives examples of the high-g roll underneath or the high-g roll over the top.  Here is the link to the last page of the article where the topic is addressed briefly:

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_023a.html

Tango
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[A8TOOL]

My $.02

1)

Very Cool Graphics  Dtango

[Ruah]

I better go buy a rudder. . .ASD is not gonna cut it with this crowd!
damn nice flying m8.

[NaughtyN]

Great explanation dtango and amazing animations. I am estonished it can be done in AH2.

I also think the main problem here is the CGI animation. Candelarias description is of a last ditch move where luck aided a bit.

As dtango mentioned under #4 they are for the situations when nothing else works.

[Infidelz]

Saw this maneuver twice yesterday. After the first time he should have just run. If your patient, you just run them into the dirt cause they have no E.  That said, it was pretty amazing to watch.

infidelz.

[Yenny]

That manuever is doable in AWs, I'm not sure of AH2. Never tried it in AH2, but I did pull it off a few times in AWs.