Evil, evil HO, episode II

[moot]

Same story as last time...
F4U1A, 110G, 1:1, 4'40" This one's admittedly closer to being reprehensible, if there's such a thing.  But IMO not a "bad" HO.  Because I earned the right to end the fight. Hog had at least 2 opportunities and didn't make em count, and I had 2.5 killshots before it, the .5 (3min40s) being me looking over the nose knowing the target is down there, but not wanting to end the fight there, I don't go for the shot up as I could have by rolling left then right and ruddering the nose out of the way to head into the snapshot with a view.  Instead I only look over the nose on the way back up.
I take the shot at the end because however much I've earned the kill up to then, the 110G's already exhausted its potential against the F4U flap machine. 

Verdict?  Constructive critiques only please.


p.s.  H5117:  as you can see, 3 shot opportunities (1'58", 2'30" with a big e-bleeding jink but its right there point blank, and 3'40") before the kill shot.  And you could've just gone up instead of panic split-s'ing at the start.  That split-s is one of the easiest shots you can give the 110G.  If it hadn't been me, you'd've been dead right there.

[Captfish]

Great Fight!  The final shot is Head On but I wouldn't consider it a "HO"  That was a clean kill performed after a great fight. more of a scissor kill than a 'HO'.  Its true it would have been a whole different fight had the f4u looped in the beginning rather than split S. and  you sucked him into the rope a dope a few times. I was dying for you to squeeze the trigger. In all I say good fight. Of course its easier to watch a film and a play critic than it is to actuallt do the flying, I think I would have died too if I were in the f4u.
  to both pilots

[DrDea]

 Him makum pretty light up in sky.

[Pawz]

Nice fight!

[ACE]

Good fight m00t i enjoy watching your videos posted on the forums <S> however it was a HO but he did have 3 shots on you and miss so not really a Ho lol

[lazydog]

lol and if it the other guy who posted this it woulda been a whole nother story

[RTSigma]

Why is HO'ing a bad thing? I've been flying since 04 and aside from it being a bad thing to do on the first pass, a HO in a dogfight isn't something to be frowned upon. When you have the angle and a the gun solution, you take it. I doubt any pilot back in the day would have been that lax.

[Bosco123]

In this situation, I will totally allow a HO shot. He had the right and that's all he was looking for. He was not planning to do it on the first pass, but give the guy the opportunity to try and kill him.
I find HOing a frown because most people do it deliberately to kill the guy, with no skill involved. I can point my nose and shoot at people all the time, but it's usually the best sticks that can kill a guy after a fight, from the guys 6. That's what gains respect in my mind, most people don't do it in the MAs anymore, and the only way to beat it now is to pick, and even then your not all that safe.

[humble]

Actually to me thats clearly pilot error on the hogs part. Forgetting the fact U passed on multiple shots he has to respect the fact that he's in what I consider to be a vertical two circle fight which is going to be defined by the intersection point. When he makes the decision to climb up into you he's accepting the reality that either he'll catch you in the arc or he'll end up stalling out as you nose over. Watching it from his view he never had any chance to get the nose up. Basically a canopy shot where he tries to bring the nose up but the angle off was easily 30 degrees or more....he had to get out of dodge early there...

[lazydog]

thank you

In this situation, I will totally allow a HO shot. He had the right and that's all he was looking for. He was not planning to do it on the first pass, but give the guy the opportunity to try and kill him.
I find HOing a frown because most people do it deliberately to kill the guy, with no skill involved. I can point my nose and shoot at people all the time, but it's usually the best sticks that can kill a guy after a fight, from the guys 6. That's what gains respect in my mind, most people don't do it in the MAs anymore, and the only way to beat it now is to pick, and even then your not all that safe.

  thank you bosco

[DrDea]

 Its a m00t  point.

[Delirium]

He didn't have a shot and had very little elevator authority at 50 ias to attempt to obtain one.

[5PointOh]

M00T,

I typically hate that shot, but in this case its different. At 1:56 sec into the fight H should have been dead.  Simple as that. It was a very nice fight, I even made it in you film!! I seen you two fighting so I stayed out.  But anyway, clearly to me you were the winner.

[moot]

lol and if it the other guy who posted this it woulda been a whole nother story

Why?

When he makes the decision to climb up into you he's accepting the reality that either he'll catch you in the arc or he'll end up stalling out as you nose over.

That's what I was thinking when I took the shot.

[steely07]

Some really nice aircraft control there, and I guess, could be called a HO by the purists, looked more like putting him out of his misery to me though <G>

Salute

Steely