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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2009, 12:26:27 PM »
Oakranger I think you misspoke, the SBD was a dive bomber and did not carry torpedo's. The TBD and TBF/TBM were the standard carrier based torpedo planes.
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2009, 12:52:52 PM »
Oakranger I think you misspoke, the SBD was a dive bomber and did not carry torpedo's. The TBD and TBF/TBM were the standard carrier based torpedo planes.

oops, sorry.  I have know ideal why i said SBD.  Thx

The B-25 was commonly used in the anti-maritime role and were able to carry torpedoes, the B-25H is an example of one of the varients that did carry torpedoes.  The Navy/Marine version of the B-25 was also able to carry torpedoes.


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How often did they used them?  Or did the pilots have issues fly the B-25 with torpedoes?   kind like they didn't favor the 75 mm do to the violet shaking of the A/C while firing.
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2009, 02:18:55 PM »
BBS hiccup, multiple post.
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2009, 02:21:58 PM »
BBS hiccup.
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2009, 02:29:50 PM »
I'm not too familiar with the B-25 missions flown by the Navy/Marines but in Air Force service (at least in the Pacific) I haven't come across anything that would suggest that torpedoes were used operationally.  The preferred method of attack in the South Pacific was skip bombing.  I'm now curious though I'll have to see if I can find out anything about the Navy/Marine use of the B-25 as well as the MTO.

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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2009, 02:37:37 PM »
Looking at the USN/USMC ordinance statistic's, I couldn't find any torpedo's expended on combat missions by PBJ's (B-25's for you Air Force types  :lol ).
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2009, 03:03:05 PM »
Speaking of torpedo's... according to what I read at the U.S. Airforce museum in Dayton a couple of weeks ago the U.S. torps could only be dropped at less than 50 feet in hight and no faster than 129 mph or they would fall apart... so whats with this B.S. 250mph for U.S. torps drop speed in here?
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2009, 03:08:37 PM »
If you look on the B25's console in the game, behind an down from the yoke, you can see the Torpedo indicator selector and warning light.
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2009, 03:10:08 PM »
I'm reading a book about the torpedo squadrons of midway, and the author is ina torpedo squadron. He states that after Midway, the Burea of Ordinance and CalTech found that the best altitude for the Mk13 was 800ft and closer to 300mph to stabilze. The low and slow techniqu didn't cut it.
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2009, 03:41:18 PM »
Some B-25s actually dropped glide torps. The wings were released by explosive bolts before it entered the water. This allowed the 25 to drop further out.


I have been able to do this with torps off my SAPP 38 using duct tape. Interesting enough the duct tape seems to hold the torp wings on just long enough to just before they hit the town. I've found them to be very effective.
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2009, 03:56:07 PM »
I believe this to be a pretty good source of information about the Mk. 13 torpedo.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.htm

"The early models were handicapped by the need to drop them low and slow - 50 feet (15 m) and 110 knots - which made the torpedo planes carrying them more vulnerable to attack.  The torpedoes themselves were found to be prone to defects.  In mid-1943, an analysis of 105 torpedoes dropped at speeds in excess of 150 knots found that 36 percent ran cold (did not start), 20 percent sank, 20 percent had poor deflection performance, 18 percent gave unsatisfactory depth performance, 2 percent ran on the surface and only 31 percent gave a satisfactory run.  The total exceeds 100 percent as many torpedoes had more than one defect.

These problems were greatly reduced by the latter years of the war.  Torpedoes had fin stabilizers, nose drag rings and tail shroud rings added, all of which worked to slow the torpedo after it was dropped so that it struck the water nose-first and at an acceptable speed.  These improved the drop characteristics such that the recommended aircraft maximum launch parameters were increased to a height of 2,400 feet (730 m) and a speed of 410 knots.

The addition of the nose drag ring improved aerodynamic performance by stabilizing the torpedo in flight and reduced air speed by about 40 percent.  It also acted as a shock absorber when the torpedo struck the water.  The tail shroud ring improved the water run by reducing hooks and broaches and by eliminating much of the water roll which had characterized the earlier Mark 13s.  Hot, straight and normal runs now approached 100 percent.  To speed availability of the much improved torpedo, the Bureau of Ordnance had tail assemblies built with the shroud ring attached and then shipped these to the fleet for upgrading the existing inventory.  By the fall of 1944, the modified torpedo was in general use by the front-line carrier units which were enthusiastic in their praise.  On one occasion in early 1945, six torpedoes were dropped from altitudes between 5,000 and 7,000 feet (1,500 to 2,100 m).  Five out of the six were observed to make their runs hot, straight and normal.  By the end of the war, the USN considered the Mark 13 to be the best aircraft torpedo produced by any nation and it remained in service until 1950."

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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2009, 04:22:29 PM »
     Nice post Baumer, learn something new all the time  :aok
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2009, 05:20:32 PM »
     Think they tried torpedos on the B-26 Marauder as well....Midway 6/42 if
memory serves.

Found a little print of the Midway raid.

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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2009, 06:35:14 PM »
Great post Baumer.  How is the weather up there, we are 108 today in Wichita
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Re: 190 w. torpedo
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2009, 06:58:06 PM »
Found a little print of the Midway raid.

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Have you seen the "After" print?








Anyway.  190 with a fish on:



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wrongway



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