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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: F3 view
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2009, 02:42:25 PM »
Hardly ever fly il2, but took one out tonight! F3 view is absolutely "arcade easy" mode!!  was laughing very very much!! I still think it is dumn  :aok It makes defencive flying soooo incredibly easy. Without the enormous SA benefit of F3 view I should have been killed 3-4 times merely cause without the advantage of F3 I'd have ever seen the low6 approaches during the muti threat fight. It made "fixing" my threats very easy indeed :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

It truely needs to be changed! Leave F3 view for any plane that has 2 or more defencive gun positions!  clean and easy  :aok

Like you said you "hardly ever fly the IL-2". If you had your silliness factor in the thread would have been much lower. Well, maybe not.

And most of you here whining about it probably never fly it much if you ever fly it at all. If you had done so then you'd probably know, as I do, that even with F3 its still a very slow, poor climbing, poor turning, fairly unresponsive, airplane. Its not even a very good HO airplane cause its not very maneuverable and the 37s have a slow ROF.

And you cant fly it, and be in F3 all at the same time. When your actually turning against another airplane in a 1 on 1 you cant be in F3. Theres only one thing F3 is good for and thats for SA in your rear quarters. Without it you'd be completely blind in the rear.

These "arcade" comments from some of you guys really leave me giggling. Somehow you have convinced yourself your playing some other game while twittering around in your little cartoon fighter planes. :huh A more noble, legit game. Why you might as well be spinning around the Skies of France circa 1917, scarf fluttering in the wind, "curses foiled again". To you "real cartoon fighter pilots" I  :salute you. Even a little poopie pants with lousy spelling like shreck.

The people in this game who actually make such decisions know full the realities of the IL-2 and the fact it can be easily beaten, or neutralized, with the proper tactics and/or patience. No doubt they also know the ones crying about its F3 are the same ones who got used to camping out in tanks with ease. And now they cant.
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2009, 03:04:44 PM »
Like you said you "hardly ever fly the IL-2". If you had your silliness factor in the thread would have been much lower. Well, maybe not.

And most of you here whining about it probably never fly it much if you ever fly it at all. If you had done so then you'd probably know, as I do, that even with F3 its still a very slow, poor climbing, poor turning, fairly unresponsive, airplane. Its not even a very good HO airplane cause its not very maneuverable and the 37s have a slow ROF.

And you cant fly it, and be in F3 all at the same time. When your actually turning against another airplane in a 1 on 1 you cant be in F3. Theres only one thing F3 is good for and thats for SA in your rear quarters. Without it you'd be completely blind in the rear.

These "arcade" comments from some of you guys really leave me giggling. Somehow you have convinced yourself your playing some other game while twittering around in your little cartoon fighter planes. :huh A more noble, legit game. Why you might as well be spinning around the Skies of France circa 1917, scarf fluttering in the wind, "curses foiled again". To you "real cartoon fighter pilots" I  :salute you. Even a little poopie pants with lousy spelling like shreck.

The people in this game who actually make such decisions know full the realities of the IL-2 and the fact it can be easily beaten, or neutralized, with the proper tactics and/or patience. No doubt they also know the ones crying about its F3 are the same ones who got used to camping out in tanks with ease. And now they cant.

Hmm, I found a button :rofl pressing now!      giggity!

So you say you can't turn in F3 mode! Well I flew F3 mode the whole time, my aim was bad but I can see that as being no problem after a few hops! I found F3 to be a great help in maintaining SA and general grasp on the situation! For the life of me I can't see how anyone would say F3 isn't a benefit(not an equalizer)! It seems from your little insults that you use F3 and are afraid of losing it! :aok You say it makes no difference but defend having it :huh

Cake please meet eat!

I never said the il2 was any good at anything, yet I do say F3 view makes the il2 much much better than it was traditionaly and much much better than it should be!

Now as far as my spelling, you can cram that comment up your money maker  :salute

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Re: F3 view
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2009, 05:36:13 PM »
Hmm, I found a button :rofl pressing now!      giggity!

So you say you can't turn in F3 mode! Well I flew F3 mode the whole time, my aim was bad but I can see that as being no problem after a few hops! I found F3 to be a great help in maintaining SA and general grasp on the situation! For the life of me I can't see how anyone would say F3 isn't a benefit(not an equalizer)! It seems from your little insults that you use F3 and are afraid of losing it! :aok You say it makes no difference but defend having it :huh

Cake please meet eat!

I never said the il2 was any good at anything, yet I do say F3 view makes the il2 much much better than it was traditionaly and much much better than it should be!

Now as far as my spelling, you can cram that comment up your money maker  :salute

Yaknow I had an entire, informative, post all ready to go. Then I wondered? Why bother?

Its a 25 eny bomber. :D Anyone that worried about it like this, well, why bother responding?

When Im in a fighter the IL-2 is the last thing I worry about.
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2009, 06:27:18 PM »
Yaknow I had an entire, informative, post all ready to go. Then I wondered? Why bother?

Its a 25 eny bomber. :D Anyone that worried about it like this, well, why bother responding?

When Im in a fighter the IL-2 is the last thing I worry about.

I just find it ridiculous to find 10-15K il2s in a furball when I know damn well most if not all would never be there without F3 view! It's got nothing to do with concern over fighting an il2, My comments, to render them to there most basic intent are --> I don't think a plane "built like a tank" for attack purposes with terrible visibility for the pilot traditionaly should have better "actual" views than a fighter, hell better views than a pony! Hell all that armor protection should come with some visual consiquence! Might as well give the  mossy F3! Other than speed the raw performance #s are poor in comparison to most fighters for the mossy also in AH  :aok

Put one 20mm gun in the nose of the ju88 and see how crazy that plane could be with F3 views!!

I say once again, if F3 view doesn't matter to you at all and has zero bearing on you flying the il2, then why resond to my topic? :huh
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2009, 02:08:12 AM »
Well if the IL2 can have 3rd person view I want it in the 110's! :P
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2009, 09:52:42 AM »
I just find it ridiculous to find 10-15K il2s in a furball when I know damn well most if not all would never be there without F3 view! It's got nothing to do with concern over fighting an il2, My comments, to render them to there most basic intent are --> I don't think a plane "built like a tank" for attack purposes with terrible visibility for the pilot traditionaly should have better "actual" views than a fighter, hell better views than a pony! Hell all that armor protection should come with some visual consiquence! Might as well give the  mossy F3! Other than speed the raw performance #s are poor in comparison to most fighters for the mossy also in AH  :aok

Put one 20mm gun in the nose of the ju88 and see how crazy that plane could be with F3 views!!

I say once again, if F3 view doesn't matter to you at all and has zero bearing on you flying the il2, then why resond to my topic? :huh

In a furball? You mean right around an airbase at 1,000' or under kinda furball? And probably one when the FH are down? :lol

Did you ever wonder why you never see P-39s in that same furball? Psssst, its because you cant see out the back end of one.

Well, and in ending, for every one IL-2 sortie you fly I probably fly 500. I never see, nor do I fly, IL-2s outside their home base and only in defense. And never have I seen more then 4 to 6, and even they are looking for GVs and only dealing with fighters when they have to. Which is pretty obvious cause they are such poor performing aircraft. Nobody in their right mind is going to upp one to turn fight fighters in a furball.

Again you blather about what you dont know. The real life IL-2 was almost impossible to bring down by a fighter. The game one is far easier. The AH IL-2 is modeled no tougher then the Hellcat or Jug, and in some ways less tougher. The IL-2 is a terrible plane to accept HOs with and people HO you all the time!

I'm only of moderate skill in a fighter but I cant remember the last time I got shot down by a Con I didn't know was there. The fact is almost all of the AH fighters allow you easy %360 SA tho they do make you work a little by moving your thumb on your views Hat button. :huh.

15 IL-2s in a furball? :lol............Shreck Ive went back and checked your stats for the last few months and you have virtually no interaction with IL-2s to begin with. You've only flown them a few times, only been shot down by them once or twice, and shoot down about a dozen a month. This all in LW. Last month you killed 14 and only got clipped by one once. This month you shot down 10 while getting kilt by one only once. In April you killed 7 and they killed you twice.

So the question begs, "why the Drama Queen act"? Obviously the F3 views dont bother you to much in the game nor do they bother me. The IL-2 is the last plane Im worried about when attacking a base. I never once heard anyone get worked up cause a few IL-2s were up.

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Re: F3 view
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2009, 03:19:10 PM »
In a furball? You mean right around an airbase at 1,000' or under kinda furball? And probably one when the FH are down? :lol

Did you ever wonder why you never see P-39s in that same furball? Psssst, its because you cant see out the back end of one.

Well, and in ending, for every one IL-2 sortie you fly I probably fly 500. I never see, nor do I fly, IL-2s outside their home base and only in defense. And never have I seen more then 4 to 6, and even they are looking for GVs and only dealing with fighters when they have to. Which is pretty obvious cause they are such poor performing aircraft. Nobody in their right mind is going to upp one to turn fight fighters in a furball.

Again you blather about what you dont know. The real life IL-2 was almost impossible to bring down by a fighter. The game one is far easier. The AH IL-2 is modeled no tougher then the Hellcat or Jug, and in some ways less tougher. The IL-2 is a terrible plane to accept HOs with and people HO you all the time!

I'm only of moderate skill in a fighter but I cant remember the last time I got shot down by a Con I didn't know was there. The fact is almost all of the AH fighters allow you easy %360 SA tho they do make you work a little by moving your thumb on your views Hat button. :huh.

15 IL-2s in a furball? :lol............Shreck Ive went back and checked your stats for the last few months and you have virtually no interaction with IL-2s to begin with. You've only flown them a few times, only been shot down by them once or twice, and shoot down about a dozen a month. This all in LW. Last month you killed 14 and only got clipped by one once. This month you shot down 10 while getting kilt by one only once. In April you killed 7 and they killed you twice.

So the question begs, "why the Drama Queen act"? Obviously the F3 views dont bother you to much in the game nor do they bother me. The IL-2 is the last plane Im worried about when attacking a base. I never once heard anyone get worked up cause a few IL-2s were up.



Actually I said 10-15K il2s meaning 10-15K in alt! You still ignore the obvious, why reply to my post so vehemently when F3 view doesn't matter to you in the least? Obviously you have a GREAT fear having felt the need to scrutinize my stats :huh

Once again you can cram your childish insults up your poo hole  :aok  I stand by what I think!!

Your example using the p39 is exactly my point, you have confirmed my theory for me--> TY

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Re: F3 view
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2009, 06:53:15 PM »
Actually I said 10-15K il2s meaning 10-15K in alt! You still ignore the obvious, why reply to my post so vehemently when F3 view doesn't matter to you in the least? Obviously you have a GREAT fear having felt the need to scrutinize my stats :huh

Once again you can cram your childish insults up your poo hole  :aok  I stand by what I think!!

Your example using the p39 is exactly my point, you have confirmed my theory for me--> TY

10 to 15K in altitude? :lol Are you kidding?

As for the rest of this, even If I could understand it? :rofl
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2009, 08:25:11 PM »
I stand by what I think!!

If there was ever an argument that self-destructed with one sentence, this was it...

It isn't what people think, it's what they can establish by facts...

Fact: IL-2s are virtually blind to the rear.

Fact: F3 view is a reasonable and best available option compromise.

Fact: if you get killed by an IL-2, you screwed up royally.

The above are truly facts...


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Re: F3 view
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2009, 08:25:46 PM »
They just want F3 removed because they got pwned by an IL2 and now need to cry here.


I say once again, if F3 view doesn't matter to you at all and has zero bearing on you flying the il2, then why resond to my topic? :huh


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Re: F3 view
« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2009, 09:31:13 PM »
Yeah but the thing is he doesnt get pwned by IL-2s. Those that do usually make a series of mistakes, and usually dumb ones, that get them into an IL-2s sights. Many either accept an HO, most actually will turn to HO even tho they have every ability to disengage and then re-engage the IL-2 with the advantage. Oh yeah, :lol and the hordes of commie IL-2s at 15k, in F-3, are simply taking over the game. :rofl

Im a heckuva lot more wary about B-25Hs then IL-2 when in a fighter. In the ATA fighter war the IL-2 is virtually a non-player. Boy the 37mm whine threads are aces compared to this one.
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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2009, 10:06:40 AM »
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Fact: F3 view is a reasonable and best available option compromise.
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While I believe this statement is true for the large bombers bristling with gun positions, I think a better option for those planes with only a dorsal turret / rear gunner might be to have certain views able to be set from the gunner's position. In the Il2, for example, you could have the ability to set the pilot's 6 view as coming from the gunner's position. You would still have to switch to the gunner's position to use the gun, but you could see from it as if you were sitting there. This would, IMHO, better represent a single additional pair of eyes in the plane feeding information to the pilot. This same system could apply to 110s, B5Ns, D3As, A-20s, etc etc.

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Re: F3 view
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2009, 12:58:14 PM »
. Oh yeah, :lol and the hordes of commie IL-2s at 15k, in F-3, are simply taking over the game. :rofl


WOW! I don't think I ever said this!! Again I see more and more(not hordes of them taking over) IL2s entering a furball HIGH and spraying like a garden hose at everything! Hoping, I'm sure to be lucky enough to get back to base and land for the customary--> "WTG IN THAT il2" response! Also if you honestly think IL2 is poor at HOing, me thinks you should fly it some more :aok The fact that the P39 is rare because of it's rear view is just the point I'm talkin about! I honestly believe f3 view for anything but large lumbering bombers is GAMEY and ARCADISH. It's an easy thing to up a ju88 using f3 view and make many folks look silly, it's just hard to kill in the ju88 with the fwd gun! Now insert il2 with it's MASSIVE firepower, I can make many folks look very silly indeed while flying an il2 in f3 view :aok  <-- This is not realistic and is something that I should not be able to do! Without f3 view I would have to constantly alter flight path or jump in tail gunner seat to keep an eye on my 6 <--- this is how it should be! It is VERY VERY easy to force an overshoot with an il2 while in f3 view, once they've overshot the easy guns will handle the rest!
Now making it so you couldn't shoot in f3 view might help the gaminess of it! I also think the same about the A20  :aok

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Re: F3 view
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2009, 01:10:02 PM »

I never said the il2 was any good at anything, yet I do say F3 view makes the il2 much much better than it was traditionaly and much much better than it should be!




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Re: F3 view
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2009, 06:42:20 PM »
If there was ever an argument that self-destructed with one sentence, this was it...

It isn't what people think, it's what they can establish by facts...

Fact: IL-2s are virtually blind to the rear.

Fact: F3 view is a reasonable and best available option compromise.

Fact: if you get killed by an IL-2, you screwed up royally.

The above are truly facts...


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Widewing




Then in this example every plane that has poor rear views should be  F3 capable?
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