F3 view

[shreck]

How about limiting F3 view to only bombers with at least 2 defensive firing guns? The # of 10-15K il2s are increasing and it is just dumb  Without F3 view these planes would not be used unrealistically, as they are now!! 

F3 view = "third rate arcade shooter"

[waystin2]

I concur.

[Spikes]

I do thinkt he IL2 should be limited to just the in-cockpit view.

[Tilt]

I would  agree the Il2 and some other "attack only bombers" (A20G) should not get F3. The pilot may be  however be able to set the rear gunners view as a "6 view" to compensate.

[Larry]

How about limiting F3 view to only bombers with at least 2 defensive firing guns? The # of 10-15K il2s are increasing and it is just dumb  Without F3 view these planes would not be used unrealistically, as they are now!! 

F3 view = "third rate arcade shooter"

As soon as you give me a gunner that has the same skill level as me and can call out the position of fighters. Iv killed many fighters in a dogfight while flying with no F3. It wont do anything since you can set your views so there is really no blind spot except the straight down view.

[shreck]

As soon as you give me a gunner that has the same skill level as me and can call out the position of fighters. Iv killed many fighters in a dogfight while flying with no F3. It wont do anything since you can set your views so there is really no blind spot except the straight down view.

Then there should be no issue in removing it then  I would suspect MOST of those who say they don't use F3 view are telling the little "white lie" 

Oh and the tail gunner comment is more like this--> "find me a tail gunner who isn't crapping themselves and knows EXACTLY how to relay enemy position to me so I can use the info the best way possible!!

[Ghosth]

No shreck, losing F3 view on A20 or iL2 wouldn't bother me in the least.

Fact remains its a target, if your getting killed by one very often your slipping someplace.

[Larry]

Then there should be no issue in removing it then  I would suspect MOST of those who say they don't use F3 view are telling the little "white lie" 

No there wouldn't be an issue, but at the same time there wouldn't be an issue in keeping it. As I said the only difference in using F1 and F3 is the straight down view. It wouldn't effect how I use it one bit, and that is as a fighter/attack aircraft. I use the F3 all the time, but like I said Iv used F1 only during intire fights and it didn't effect the outcome one bit. The other guy took some cannon rounds after overshooting or getting out flown. Most of the time a whine soon followed his death.

The only people that I see wanting F3 disabled are usually the ones getting shot down after thinking ''hey look an easy kill.''

[MachFly]

You can't see the thing out of Il-2's cockpit there for you need the 3rd view. In real life you have a gunner siting there checking your six, because it's next to impossible to do from the cockpit with all that armor surrounding you.

Making the real view automatically switch to the gunner's position would not be realistic and would give you to good of a rear view.

[shreck]

The only people that I see wanting F3 disabled are usually the ones getting shot down after thinking ''hey look an easy kill.''

Well this is not the case! Although I have overshot my fair share of il2s! The issue for me is F3 view really is a benefit no matter what folks say. It very easily imroves your situational picture and also magnifies ones ability to create overshoot with said picture!    I don't believe an aircraft that had very serious vulnerabilities in real life should have the "magic view" pill in Aces High! Let alone "BETTER" views than any fighter

It would be an easy test to determine if F3 really helps or not! F3 view could be disabled for a single tour, after which the kill ratios be compared with previous tours! I suspect you'd find a drastic difference in the totals, this would confirm that F3 view really does make a difference  

[Larry]

You can't see the thing out of Il-2's cockpit there for you need the 3rd view.

Not really. I have my views setup so theres almost no blindspots.

[AWwrgwy]

I use F3 to see where the other guy is but I couldn't hit anything from F3 view.  I use it to "see".  I imagine that was its intended purpose.

I can't see how they fly in F3 all the time in the DA.

I like the no F3, 6 o'clock = gunner idea, I think.


wrongway

[mechanic]

Making the real view automatically switch to the gunner's position would not be realistic and would give you to good of a rear view.

Thats the most suicidal argument I've ever seen. "Viewing from the gunner's seat is unrealistic therefore we should be able to float outside the plane and view from any angle."

 

I wish we could remove all external views, even for bombers. Especially in the DA. But then, I like to play without icons when there are no friendlies around so I figure it's 'personal choice' and live 'n' let live.

[MachFly]

Thats the most suicidal argument I've ever seen. "Viewing from the gunner's seat is unrealistic therefore we should be able to float outside the plane and view from any angle."

why change it? if we are going to have the same non realistic thing?

[mechanic]

For me? I say change it so that the advantage of massive armour protection comes with the disadvantge of limited rear visibility. You want to have a gunner to see behind you? Hope you got some friends who like to gun. Thats just me, because you asked me what i think. It has always been this way and I dont lose any sleep over it.