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Offline RTHolmes

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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2009, 09:26:45 AM »
First off we have very hi-tech anti missle technology.

Patriot? :lol SDI? :huh
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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2009, 09:29:34 AM »
Hmm didn't we declare war on germany in WWII angus?

No, it was the other way around. Hitler, in a burst of optimism*, declared war on the USA after the Pearl Harbor attack.


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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2009, 10:11:55 AM »
Kim Joing Il isn't making the decisions right now. It is belived the top brass of the N. Korea's people's Army are making most of the decisions, because of Jong Il's deteriorating health. That includes the missile test on Memorial Day. Right now they're trying to downsize the size of their warheads to fit onto rockets. It is clearly an act of aggression. I belive (if I remember correctly) The most recent test was of a nuclear warhead three times the size of that dropped on Hiroshima.

The Russians were reporting that the last detonation was in the 10-20 KT range. The Hiroshima bomb was 15 KT. Of course they are trying to make the devices smaller, but wishing won't make it so and that's a serious technological obstacle that they have to clear.

If this link works, it should show the blast radius of a 15 KT detonation at closest point to Osan AB that I could figure the NKs, and even that is pretty optimistic (well, Optimistic for the NKs anyhow)
http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html?ll=126.79939270019531,37.14718209972376&yd=15&z=6

Yes, the fallout would carry farther than that, but from a tractical perspective, our forces are trained to deal with much greater NBC attacks, so even if Operations at Osan are slowed, they will not be stopped, and more importantly, the hardware on station will not be effected. If there's another military target that is more exposed than Osan, maybe they can hit that. But without the ability to use the weapon in a tactical manner, it exists only as a strategic threat. One that we know they can't use effectively and so it's pretty worthless. However, it is a signpost that says: "We need to do something sooner rather than later, because once they CAN deploy the damn thing, it will be too late." Its too bad NK is so far away from Israel lol.

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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2009, 10:28:05 AM »
The Russians were reporting that the last detonation was in the 10-20 KT range. The Hiroshima bomb was 15 KT. Of course they are trying to make the devices smaller, but wishing won't make it so and that's a serious technological obstacle that they have to clear.

If this link works, it should show the blast radius of a 15 KT detonation at closest point to Osan AB that I could figure the NKs, and even that is pretty optimistic (well, Optimistic for the NKs anyhow)
http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html?ll=126.79939270019531,37.14718209972376&yd=15&z=6

Yes, the fallout would carry farther than that, but from a tractical perspective, our forces are trained to deal with much greater NBC attacks, so even if Operations at Osan are slowed, they will not be stopped, and more importantly, the hardware on station will not be effected. If there's another military target that is more exposed than Osan, maybe they can hit that. But without the ability to use the weapon in a tactical manner, it exists only as a strategic threat. One that we know they can't use effectively and so it's pretty worthless. However, it is a signpost that says: "We need to do something sooner rather than later, because once they CAN deploy the damn thing, it will be too late." Its too bad NK is so far away from Israel lol.

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You saying you'd rather the Israelis just take of them pre-emptively?

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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2009, 10:41:32 AM »
Yes. It would simplify things and we wouldn't have to do anything to upset anyone. :)

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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2009, 10:43:21 AM »
Yes. It would simplify things and we wouldn't have to do anything to upset anyone. :)

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Usually I'd agree with you....

Actually, I agree with you here too...

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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2009, 10:50:54 AM »
Even if they did fire a missile at us, unless they fired multiple missiles or fired them in quick succession, they couldn't get another one off before they are all radioactive dust from the GUARENTIED retaliatory strike. They can hurt us sure, but we will ruin them.
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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2009, 11:03:03 AM »
the thing is, N.Korea spends basically every penny on there military.  So if they did get in a war how long do you really think they could last, there already broke basically lol, and does N.Korea even have a navy? cause they threatened to attack us and that's really only way i could see em getting over here.

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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2009, 11:13:06 AM »
I doubt that they could force a landing on U.S. soil without the aid of the Chinese or Russians. And I THINK he ment he would nuke us, but don't quote me.
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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2009, 11:16:07 AM »
Oh dear.

Guys, nobody in the world is suggesting that the raging NK hordes are going to come to the US and rape our women and kill our babies.

Can anyone tell me the basic strategic goal of a North Korean offensive? The sooner we get past the idea that the North Koreans want to invade the US, the better.

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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2009, 11:18:28 AM »
Oh dear.

Guys, nobody in the world is suggesting that the raging NK hordes are going to come to the US and rape our women and kill our babies.

Can anyone tell me the basic strategic goal of a North Korean offensive? The sooner we get past the idea that the North Koreans want to invade the US, the better.

-Sik
Not to worry, they are one of the poorest countries, they can barely get enough money for the missiles... They would most likely attack S. Korea sense its closest, and CA is protected by the worlds most state of the art tech.
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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2009, 11:20:19 AM »
Oh dear.

Guys, nobody in the world is suggesting that the raging NK hordes are going to come to the US and rape our women and kill our babies.

Can anyone tell me the basic strategic goal of a North Korean offensive? The sooner we get past the idea that the North Koreans want to invade the US, the better.

-Sik

Well.... basically if you have nothing to lose why not. North Korea has nothing, is nothing, and is going nowhere. North Korea is just postering to get handouts.
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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2009, 11:21:36 AM »
See Rule #14
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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2009, 11:23:27 AM »
i hope they come to cali coast, ive got  like 500 rounds of ammo in my house, im ready to go  :rock :devil


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Re: N.Korea, this aint looking good
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2009, 11:30:05 AM »
I agree with the theory that NK will attack SK rather than US soil. Technically, a state of war still exists between North Korea and South Korea.
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