N.Korea, this aint looking good

[Nemisis]

redman, you idiot, now you went and did it, now the NK hords are going to attack us !  And macerxgp, lets just send SK a couple of M1 abrams tanks wired with C4 that we can detonate if they get captured so NK can't use them. Oh, lets also send them some F16's, and severl hundred thousand tons of ord for them to shoot across the border. Maby SK will try to invade NK, that would be funny.

[redman555]

still, do you think NK economy could really hold out during a war? i mean as of now there in like severe poverty cause like 99% of there money goes to military. and there still using gear thats like 20 years old lol


-BigBOBCH

[Selino631]

Hmm didn't we declare war on germany in WWII angus?

When We declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor, Italy and Germany declared war on us.

[FYB]

I agree with the theory that NK will attack SK rather than US soil. Technically, a state of war still exists between North Korea and South Korea.

Basically they will, we got 28,500 troops in SK.

[Spikes]

This is probably gonna blow over like the Cold War, or in more modern term, any internet conversasion. Alot of talk, but no action.



Oh ya, IN!

I have to agree with this post the way it's looking.

[Sikboy]

Again, I truly believe that North Korea is just shaking us down again.

However, hypothetically, if they did attack anyone it would be South Korea (and, given our presense there, they would be attacking US troops). Their strategic goal would be the reunification o the Peninsula. Alternatively, maybe they would cross the border with the hope of taking and holding long enough to get a favorable surrender (delusional, but whatever). Take a look at a Map, Seoul isn't that far south of the border. It would be an absolute mess and I have no doubt that the North would lose, and they would actually lose everything this time, because I don't actually see the Chinese intervening as much this time.  Their nuclear program can not assist them in this strategic goal at this time, so nothing of substance has changed.

-Sik

[Bosco123]

Who know's how long this thread is going to last. I know that July 4th N. Korea is going to launch a missile towards the coast of Hawaii, of course, the press is saying that it is going to hit Hawaii, but what will actually happen is that it will land some were near Hawaii, and not on it.

Of course, US won't let it get much past N. Korea, which N. Korea will be real mad at us, and probably got to war with us. I just hope that NATO will allow us to use our nukes on N. Korea, and finally get this over with. I honestly don't want to have to fight them again, and this really has to end. We have been doing this for 50 years now with them, I don't feel like losing many more American lives there, so launch the Nuke please.

My guess is, if we don't send out a nuke back to them, they will receive no help from the Chinese, and maybe some very small help from the Russians. Why? simple, we are the Chinese economy, they want to threaten that, then they risk their whole economy on fighting us. Russia, not to sure about, with their new leader they can do any thing, no telling. As they say, one a KGB, always a KGB. 

[Sikboy]

As they say, one a KGB, always a KGB. 

Medvedev was in the KGB?

-Sik

[Nemisis]

I agree Bosco, it HAS to end. And as long as we are afraid to use our power (armed forces and nukes) and throw out weight around, then little countries like NK will continue to think that just because they have nukes and can launch outdated missiles, they can bully us and make us afraid of them. About the only countries that aren't allied with us (and I mean really allied with us, not just saying they are friends and planing to backstab us) that could pose a threat to us are China as they are a nuclear country and rather large modern army (not as good as ours, not by a mile, but still) and Russia (nuclear country and have lots of people to join the army if not necessarily IN the army)

[Selino631]

Who know's how long this thread is going to last. I know that July 4th N. Korea is going to launch a missile towards the coast of Hawaii, of course, the press is saying that it is going to hit Hawaii, but what will actually happen is that it will land some were near Hawaii, and not on it.

Of course, US won't let it get much past N. Korea, which N. Korea will be real mad at us, and probably got to war with us. I just hope that NATO will allow us to use our nukes on N. Korea, and finally get this over with. I honestly don't want to have to fight them again, and this really has to end. We have been doing this for 50 years now with them, I don't feel like losing many more American lives there, so launch the Nuke please.

My guess is, if we don't send out a nuke back to them, they will receive no help from the Chinese, and maybe some very small help from the Russians. Why? simple, we are the Chinese economy, they want to threaten that, then they risk their whole economy on fighting us. Russia, not to sure about, with their new leader they can do any thing, no telling. As they say, one a KGB, always a KGB. 

Ya i've read that too, but will the missle at any time have to cross through Japanese Airspace? If it does it wont last, because i remember when they were testing there "satelite" Japan said if it enters there airspace its a declaration of war and that missile is going down.

[Nemisis]

Hell, I'd concider it a decleration of war if someone sent a missle or any crap like that into my airspace.

[bcadoo]

Their devices have low yields..."The reported estimates of Richter magnitude spread from 4.5-5, and the standard conversions to explosive yield suggest a yield of 2-6 kiloton-equivalents of TNT. Most of the latest Richter magnitude estimates have come in the low half of the 4.5-5 range, so it seems likely that the yield was 4 kilotons or smaller.

That's a lot of energy, much larger than the 2006 North Korean test, but it still falls far short of an expected 12-20 kiloton yield of a crude Hiroshima-style device."

So either they are WAY behind in nuclear technology, or trying to make one small enough that their poor missile technology can get it here.  To have devastating effects it would have to be practically a direct hit and thats not likely, given their level of technical achievements.

[Angus]

Hmm didn't we declare war on germany in WWII angus?

Nope. Oddly the Germans as well as the Italians declared war on the USA to follow the tripact deal to the limit. (Japan did not declarewar on the UK in 1939 accordingly, but I guess that it's due to the sequence of political steps).
Untill then as well as (yes, even!)beyond, USA was doing business with Germany.

Anyway, back to little Kim and his wannabee-stuff.
Once the technology of:
1: Ballistic missilies
2: Nook
...have been achieved, shooting nukes at the USA is within grabbing range. The USA had a nuke in 1945, the Germans made ballistic missiles in 1944 or so. The Iraqis had lots of old scuds (a design from the German V-2 AFAIK) which could SOMETIMES be stopped. They also had the full purpose of building the nuke. Now, their targets were close by, so their short range scuds would have had the range to deliver a nuke to an "enemy". Well, they got a harder life from that goal.
Now the N-Korean have just about entered the realm of Nukes and are building their own missiles. Once you get the hang of that range is not so significant, and neither is accuracy if your target is big enough.
So, in short, give little Kim some time, and he will be able to launch a nuke at the USA. The USA might well possibly not be able to stop it. Shooting down ballistic missilies is still in it's child's shoes so to say.
And he seems to have the will. About time to bomb the population with something, like propoganda, candy, and ...whatever...

[Rich46yo]

A whole lot Of Americans are forgetting its the Chinese who are keeping NK afloat, so they can threaten us.

Fuel, food, military arms...ect NK would fold in weeks if it wasn't for the Chinese propping them up. All the whiles trying to reassure the Americans they are a moderating influence. Now ask yourself, why would they do that?

For starters the more the little guy can shake down from the Democracies the less the Chinese have to send him. Of course the fact they are keeping the little guy afloat gives them quite a bit of control over him.

Next, now think like a Chinese, is the more money, hardware, and troops, the Yanks/Allies have pointed at the little guy means the less we can point at the Chinese. The fewer systems we can use against China or keep in reserve against it.

Right now the Chinese need time. Time to modernize, time to establish themselves, time to steal as much western tech as they can. The little guy is giving them that time and forcing concessions for both NK and the Chinese. Its an old game.


Course that can all change if the little guy goes to far. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/index.html

BTW NATO would have nothing to do with a war on the Korean Peninsula.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

[Shuffler]

A whole lot Of Americans are forgetting its the Chinese who are keeping NK afloat, so they can threaten us.

Fuel, food, military arms...ect NK would fold in weeks if it wasn't for the Chinese propping them up. All the whiles trying to reassure the Americans they are a moderating influence. Now ask yourself, why would they do that?

For starters the more the little guy can shake down from the Democracies the less the Chinese have to send him. Of course the fact they are keeping the little guy afloat gives them quite a bit of control over him.

Next, now think like a Chinese, is the more money, hardware, and troops, the Yanks/Allies have pointed at the little guy means the less we can point at the Chinese. The fewer systems we can use against China or keep in reserve against it.

Right now the Chinese need time. Time to modernize, time to establish themselves, time to steal as much western tech as they can. The little guy is giving them that time and forcing concessions for both NK and the Chinese. Its an old game.


Course that can all change if the little guy goes to far. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/index.html

BTW NATO would have nothing to do with a war on the Korean Peninsula.

The chineese won't jump in as now that they are "operating" as a democracy they to lose alot.