porsche 911 (996)

[akusher]

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe 1 MILLION Pounds is a wee more than 400k.........Unbelievable car and The Euro Fighter is no slouch either at 67 Million Pounds...... <<<!S!>>>   

$400k is how much the ferrari 599gtb costs--if you buy it off the lot, slightly used. Brand new, on backorder, it's about $75k cheaper.

How's that for bassackwards?

[CAP1]

well, and this is coming from somebody whose desire for a superexotic is strictly theoretical as i can nowhere near afford one, there are a couple reasons.

First of all, I hate the way it looks--for me, the ferrari 599, a car whose looks have been criticized by many, is just way more stylish, comfortable, and as fast as I would ever need a car to go and then some.

secondly, I just don't like the idea of a 16 cylinder quad-turbo engine. Don't know why, but it feels like this is the automotive equivalent of owning a .500 SW Mag. Don't get me wrong, a 5.9 liter v 12 is big too, but there's a line that's being crossed that just doesn't sit well with me.

Thirdly, it's like $1.5 million. And even if I had money to burn, this seems excessive. For that much, I could get 5 cars that I've been dying to have since i was a teenager and therefore, 5 different flavors to enjoy instead of just one.

Finally, I'd always err on the side of quick and nimble. A 2800 lb f430, or, if we're talking huge prices, a 2300lb f70 (forthcoming enzo successor that's modeled on the FXX), with a 700 hp engine just seems like more fun than 2 tons being driven by 1001 hp--even if it come equipped with its own automated bartender. It's a foregone conclusion that a 1 ton ferrari will make mincemeat of the bugatti on any track, and that i'll likely never live to drive against one, but it's comforting just to know that it was engineered for sport, not just for picking up overpriced hookers in Washington Street in Miami.

Again, just taste, and again, that good old poster on the wall. Prancing horse has always been part of a dream, and no bugatti will ever usurp that emotional connection.

understood.....i was just going to the extreme.  


the line you feel........you're 100% right. that kind of power will not be totally reliable if you drove it every day.

me.....for that kinda money......i'd have my home, with a 4k long runway, electric fence around my property, and something fun n fast to fly.  

[Masherbrum]

well, and this is coming from somebody whose desire for a superexotic is strictly theoretical as i can nowhere near afford one, there are a couple reasons.

First of all, I hate the way it looks--for me, the ferrari 599, a car whose looks have been criticized by many, is just way more stylish, comfortable, and as fast as I would ever need a car to go and then some.

secondly, I just don't like the idea of a 16 cylinder quad-turbo engine. Don't know why, but it feels like this is the automotive equivalent of owning a .500 SW Mag. Don't get me wrong, a 5.9 liter v 12 is big too, but there's a line that's being crossed that just doesn't sit well with me.

Thirdly, it's like $1.5 million. And even if I had money to burn, this seems excessive. For that much, I could get 5 cars that I've been dying to have since i was a teenager and therefore, 5 different flavors to enjoy instead of just one.

Finally, I'd always err on the side of quick and nimble. A 2800 lb f430, or, if we're talking huge prices, a 2300lb f70 (forthcoming enzo successor that's modeled on the FXX), with a 700 hp engine just seems like more fun than 2 tons being driven by 1001 hp--even if it come equipped with its own automated bartender. It's a foregone conclusion that a 1 ton ferrari will make mincemeat of the bugatti on any track, and that i'll likely never live to drive against one, but it's comforting just to know that it was engineered for sport, not just for picking up overpriced hookers in Washington Street in Miami.

Again, just taste, and again, that good old poster on the wall. Prancing horse has always been part of a dream, and no bugatti will ever usurp that emotional connection.

Ok, we need a dose of reality for you.   The Veyron would without question blow the doors off of a Ferrari (take your pick) on a track.   I love Ferrari's and most Exotic Cars just as the next guy, but there is a time when "fanboi-ism" needs to take a backseat.  Not to mention the Veyron is Street Legal and the FXX (and the soon to be released F70) aren't. 

FXX - 1.5 million Euro + tax to the Veyron's 1.1 Euro makes the Veyron the easy choice.   

[akusher]

Ok, we need a dose of reality for you.   The Veyron would without question blow the doors off of a Ferrari (take your pick) on a track.   I love Ferrari's and most Exotic Cars just as the next guy, but there is a time when "fanboi-ism" needs to take a backseat.  Not to mention the Veyron is Street Legal and the FXX (and the soon to be released F70) aren't. 

FXX - 1.5 million Euro + tax to the Veyron's 1.1 Euro makes the Veyron the easy choice.   

Ok, maybe I was misunderstood.

The Veyron is faster around the track than any current production street legal Ferrari. The fastest, the 6 year old enzo, was .7 seconds behind the veyron on top gear's track, but that's hardly scientific so we'll just call that anecodotal.

However, if the f70, which is the FXX-derived street-legal Enzo successor, meets its design requirements of a similar power to weight ratio of the FXX (2.9 lb/hp vs the veyron's 3.9), there will be no contest. The Enzo's power to weight ratio of 4 lb/hp is close enough....The 850 hp 2500 lb FXX, however is 7 seconds faster  around the Fiorano test track than the Enzo, which is a huge margin for a lap that takes 1:18. So the Veyron is nowhere near a match for it, or the the street-legal successor (if they stick to their goals).

That is what I was referring to.

That being said, I'd still take a Scuderia over the Veyron and the $800,000 difference in cash. That's just practicality--or as practical as one can get considering 2 seater supercars.

We're all fanboys of something. It's the reason guys argue over sports teams. I'm no different.

[Masherbrum]

We're all fanboys of something. It's the reason guys argue over sports teams. I'm no different.

Blindly saying something "sucks" without knowing the competition is worse than being a Fanboi, it's ignorant.   There is a thick line between the two. 

[RTHolmes]

The Veyron would without question blow the doors off of a Ferrari (take your pick) on a track.

  veyron has a 'ring time of 7:40, enzo 7:25. even a 430 scud is slightly quicker.

[Masherbrum]

veyron has a 'ring time of 7:40, enzo 7:25. even a 430 scud is slightly quicker.

Head to head the times are different.   That is what HE said.   Not a single car on it at a time.   Either way, it would be a good, close race (I might have gotten a little carried away, but not much).   

[morfiend]

 AK,

 I happen to know a guy who plays around with porsches alittle.
I asked about the rearmain leaks on 996's and he said ya it's a prob on the early ones!

99/02 so be careful,he said the problem has to do with the trans being torqued in assembly.
This causes some sort of distorion which affects the seal.He said it's not a big deal to fix,well for him anyways, and if a warranty is available be sure to look into it.ie read the fine print for exclusions.

 That said,they are great cars,look after it and other than costing alot to buy and own have fun!

   

[Die Hard]

veyron has a 'ring time of 7:40, enzo 7:25. even a 430 scud is slightly quicker.

The Veyron's ring time is not official.

[RTHolmes]

neither are the others but its pretty much the only way to compare. some of the TG times dont look right to me, mainly i suspect because they only get a car for a day and have to test whatever the conditions. EVO's bedford times would be a good comparison if they hadnt changed the circuit a year or 2 back

I'm with Gordon Murray on the Veyron, for me its like Vuiton luggage - its only purpose is to remove money from the pockets of people too rich to know better. For the same money you could buy eg:
Pagani Zonda +
Aston DBS +
Corvette Z06 +
430 Scuderia +
Maserati Quattroporte +
plenty left over for a 4x4, town car and a Ducati

... although I'd probably save my pennies a little longer and buy an F1 - the purest supercar with a true racing pedigree

[CAP1]

neither are the others but its pretty much the only way to compare. some of the TG times dont look right to me, mainly i suspect because they only get a car for a day and have to test whatever the conditions. EVO's bedford times would be a good comparison if they hadnt changed the circuit a year or 2 back

I'm with Gordon Murray on the Veyron, for me its like Vuiton luggage - its only purpose is to remove money from the pockets of people too rich to know better. For the same money you could buy eg:
Pagani Zonda +
Aston DBS +
Corvette Z06 +
430 Scuderia +
Maserati Quattroporte +
plenty left over for a 4x4, town car and a Ducati

as i mentioned in an earlier post, these numbers are kinda the equilivent of car porn. they mean nothing to the average driver.

 average drivers will NEVER get their cars even close to their potential, regardless of what they drive. that goes for everythign from a geo prism(which i hung right on the rear bumper of an audi a4 rounding some bends, that he thought he needed to brake for, thus letting me pull right up on him) to the veyron, to the lambos. it doesn't matter. 2 cars as close at the one mentioned a few posts up, that's 2 tenths faster on the ring......put em both in real street conditions, and see which one is out front. then switch drivers, and see which one ends up out front.

[katanaso]

Not sure if this is a dupe, but since this thread is filled with car guys, I thought I'd link this cool video of a Lotus and Corvette at Nurburgring:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oqclLDqmms

[akusher]

Blindly saying something "sucks" without knowing the competition is worse than being a Fanboi, it's ignorant.   There is a thick line between the two. 

When did I ever use the word "sucks" in reference to the Veyron?

--since you put it in quotes, I'm assuming you're quoting...

I said that I wouldn't buy it even if I had the money. I don't like the way it looks, and I'm not a big fan of the whole package. To me, it's excessive. I never once claimed that it was an unimpressive piece of machinery, or devoid of merit.

What I did say was that a 1 ton Ferrari would beat it on any track--eluding to the FXX-based f70. Which isn't blind at all, but a fact... RT made my point better than I did when he cited Nurburgring times. The FXX is, mile for mile, about 9% faster than an Enzo. Therefore it stands to reason that a lighter, street-legal derivation would approximate this edge. Period.

There may be many things about which I'm ignorant, but when it comes to cars that I can't afford, I assure you that I have respect enough for just about all of them to read up on the subject

Just don't get me started on Lamborghinis 

[akusher]

AK,

 I happen to know a guy who plays around with porsches alittle.
I asked about the rearmain leaks on 996's and he said ya it's a prob on the early ones!

99/02 so be careful,he said the problem has to do with the trans being torqued in assembly.
This causes some sort of distorion which affects the seal.He said it's not a big deal to fix,well for him anyways, and if a warranty is available be sure to look into it.ie read the fine print for exclusions.

 That said,they are great cars,look after it and other than costing alot to buy and own have fun!

   

Thanks for the effort, Morfiend. Really do appreciate it. As I said, if this thing comes together sometime in August, I'll be sure to post the results (pics).

[CAP1]

Thanks for the effort, Morfiend. Really do appreciate it. As I said, if this thing comes together sometime in August, I'll be sure to post the results (pics).

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<WANTS TO SEE PICS.

sorry bout caps up there......


don't care the make or model.......i like sleek fast cars.


i really liked the pics ge posted awhile back of his vette with the hooters girls.